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Several people on these forums have complained that Harry Lorayne seems to have a big ego.

Really, with his accomplishments -- wouldn't you?

*jeep!
--Grandpa Chet

PS: Is it ego if he states he's as good as he is?
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On 2009-03-21 16:13, mormonyoyoman wrote:
Several people on these forums have complained that Harry Lorayne seems to have a big ego.

Really, with his accomplishments -- wouldn't you?

*jeep!
--Grandpa Chet

PS: Is it ego if he states he's as good as he is?

I couldn't agree more Chet. The way I see it, Mr. Lorayne has two choices "Bogus Humility" or "Honest Arrogance." He simply states the truth: He's D@mn good!
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Thanks for the kind words, guys. Now, just for my own edification, can one of you, or anyone, give me an example, or two, of where I EVER said that I was "as good as I am." Or that I was better than anyone else, or ANYTHING like that? Over the years, people keep saying these things - and this, to me, idiotic reputation grew. Not that I particularly care, it's just that people keep putting other peoples' words into MY mouth.

So, it's been going on for years - people discussing my "ego." Please give me some examples. Perhaps I made silly statements when I was younger, but (and never mind the "memory" jokes) I DON'T REMEMBER THEM. Remind me will you. I'm just curious to see the background of that "big ego" reputation. I'm talking only about the magic area here, not the memory-training area. Okay?

Oh, in a thread long ago, what some were talking about is the "Best Ever" title of my DVD set. I went through it all then, but just in case that's what you're thinking, get this straight (I've had to explain it so many times) THAT IS NOT MY TITLE - L&L Publishing came up with that title. I remember resisting, but Louis Falanga insisted. Okay? Got it? It's not a title I would have in any way, shape, manner or form made up about myself. I'm stupid, yes, but not THAT stupid. So, examples please. HL.
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In the 'in his words' interview in Magic a few years ago you talked a bit about your ego, and how it is an compensation for being shy. You mentioned that everyone seems to add the word 'b@stard' to 'arrogant'. I can't remember offhand your reply to that. I'll have to dig up the issue and check.

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No, Ian, what I said was that it seems as if the word "***" often follows the word "egotistical." Egotistical ***. That I remember because I wrote an article somewhere, a long time ago, about just that. I do NOT remember saying that "ego" overcompensated for being shy. What I remember saying, because I say it often, when I'm asked, is that "I did have to overcompensate for my terrible shyness." I don't remember the word "ego" in that reply. I did, in the afore-mentioned article, say, and I've said it often enough, "...nothing really worthwhile is ever accomplished without ego." Think of the ego it takes to write a book. How DARE you think that your writing would want to be read by others? But, that's a good kind of ego; a NECESSARY kind of ego. What I'm talking about above, is about the idiots who QUOTLE me as saying things like "I'm better than anyone else." PLEASE! HL. (I don't know if you meant your post as one of the examples I've asked for, Ian. If you did think it was that kind of an example - it AIN'T.)
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I guess I should have typed it "b@stard"!
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Yes, egotistical was the word, not arrogant. I have a cold and was in a hurry.
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Think of the ego it takes to write a book. How DARE you think that your writing would want to be read by others? But, that's a good kind of ego; a NECESSARY kind of ego. What I'm talking about above, is about the idiots who QUOTLE me as saying things like "I'm better than anyone else." PLEASE! HL.


I'm starting to really like this guy! I bet his magic isn't half bad either.

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Harry gets a lot of flak. People seem to either love him or hate him. He's a polarizing kind of guy, because he has strong opinions and a strong personality. Does that make him an arrogant, egotistical so-and-so? Some seem to think so. I'm not one of them. Harry has always been kind to me and answered any questions or comments I've put to him via email or PM. A lot of "name" magicians don't bother to do that.

I've also noticed that in virtually every case where there's been an argument or verbal battle with Harry, he isn't the one who started it. He just doesn't let people get away with it, and as a result, he's been labeled a jerk, or arrogant, or whatever. Waht I've always wondered is, why aren't the other guys who are slinging mud at Harry labeled the same way? For the most part, these other guys haven't contributed anything to the magic community, and they are typically anonymous users who go by screen names. Guys like Harry are easy targets for people who realize no one knows who they are or what (if any) skills or experience they have. I've experienced this to a lesser degree myself, although I would NEVER put myself in Harry's class!

My wife likes to say that I "live out loud." I'd say that descirbes Harry, to an even greater degree. And I personally like that. I get a very strong sense from my interaction with Harry that you never have to wonder where you stand with him. I don't see how that's a bad thing.

To answer the OP: Yes, Harry's DVD's are good! There's something I use on every one of them, and on most of them there's a BUNCH of things I use. Even without the tricks themselves, stuff like the HaLo Cut, Status Quo Shuffle, and Ultra Move are worth the asking price! If you don't have 'em, get 'em!
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I just bought his small paperback memory book. Read about half of it two nights ago. I went to read the other half last night and forgot where I put it. I am still looking for it. Really!
I am getting so tired of slitting the throats of people who say that I am a violent psychopath.

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Sly, I empathize. I've managed to forget & leave three copies of his *the Memory Book* on planes (three different times, that is). But I'm getting better, mostly thanks to his latest - and arguably best - book yet: *Ageless Memory*. I have a handicap which disrupts my short term memory, and this book is helping A LOT! I pick it up a month later, and find I remember the exercises almost as soon as I try.

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Mr. Lorayne is not egotistical, he is assertive. My opinion.
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Hey, I didn't say he was egotistical. That was my reply to the people on the forums and in the magic clubs who said he was egotistical. I only know the fellow through his writings, his taped performances, and his posts here -- and I'm impressed by each. I've been hooked on his material since I first found *Close-Up Card Magic* in our library -- and that's been quite a few years. And I do owe a LOT to his memory methods!

*jeep!
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If Lorayne never put out anything except STOP! from Close Up Card Magic, I would still sing his praises. I've killed many a group, including magicians, with this one effect.

Having said that, I've learn a great deal from all of his books including the one mentioned. His memory demonstrations are a thing of beauty.

If he came on this board and said, "I'm one of the greatest card workers EVER and one of the greatest INVENTORS of card Magic EVER!!!", I would say to him, "Don't be so modest... you're even better than that." And I would mean it.

He is a living legend. The guy has what it takes to back up whatever he says or whatever anyone says about him.

I'm a better performer for having read his stuff.

Here's to the mind and magic of Harry Lorayne: Smile Smile Smile Smile

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On 2009-03-25 16:54, mormonyoyoman wrote:
Hey, I didn't say he was egotistical. That was my reply to the people on the forums and in the magic clubs who said he was egotistical. I only know the fellow through his writings, his taped performances, and his posts here -- and I'm impressed by each. I've been hooked on his material since I first found *Close-Up Card Magic* in our library -- and that's been quite a few years. And I do owe a LOT to his memory methods!

*jeep!
--Grandpa Chet

I wasn't directing anything towards you Grampa, just expressing an opinion.
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I am currently buying up everything of Harry's I can get my hands on. Simply the best.
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I guess I am in the middle here. I find some of his routines fantastic and am indebted to him for teaching them. His instruction/teaching is varied -- at least for real beginners -- sometimes it is solid while other times it is too fast and not clear enough.

As for ego, I would say he has a fairly condescending manner on the DVDs which is a bit grating, but the overall quality easily makes up for that.

So, should you buy hid DVDs, I would say yes defintely buy at least one and see what you think. I am happy with my purchases but unlikely to buy more than I have.
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JohnWells: You can purchase my stuff directly from me. HL
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Bande: Who ever said that my DVDs were "for real beginners"? They are NOT.I am glad that the "overall quality easily makes up for my 'bit of grating.'"
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Harry,

I was giving my opinion as to whether your DVDs are good. In doing so, I tried to give the information that I would want in making that decision.

It is important to me to know the skill level required and the quality of instruction -- for instance there are a number of amazing coin DVDs I have seen, but the skill level required is beyond what I can do at the moment. Does this make the bad? No, but if you do not have the requisite skills you will find them frustrating and there might be better things to buy first and then work your way up to them. Hence in giving my opinion on your stuff I say it is not great for real beginners. I do not say that YOU said they were or were not, I am giving information that I think will help the OP decide to buy or not. Only the OP knows his/her skill level.

I also discuss the downside of your tone (which you seem to replicate in your response to me) -- I found it a bit off-putting. Having read a number of reviews I doubt this comes as news or a surprise to you.

Lastly I try to give an overall opinion which says, the material is valuable, the teaching strong enough that it overcomes the negatives and so buy the DVDs. I would agree that the stronger your skills the more you may get out of the DVD, but thought that was implied by comment about it not beong great for real beginners.
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