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There have been several threads recently about people/shows etc., being overrated. Lets have one about people who are the best in their chosen field.

I'll start.

Karch Kiraly. The greatest volleyball player ever. Hands down. 3 gold medals (two indoor, one sand) twice voted by the FIVB (International Federation of Volleyball) "worlds greatest player".
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Then how come the FIVB called Lorenzo Bernardi "Volleyball Player of the Century"?
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You guys are like...uh...geniuses or something. Arguing about who is the best in volleyball?

The Babe was the best in baseball, ever. Period.

Pele was the best in soccer.

Michael Jordan was the best in basketball.

But...Lord Jesus help to do do the right thing here...VOLLEYBALL?
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On 2009-03-09 15:05, stoneunhinged wrote:

Michael Jordan was the best in basketball.

Bogus!

By what standard?
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No? Do I have the wrong name? Have I been away that long?

Pistol Pete?

Jerry West?

Those were my childhood heroes. But I thought that Michael Jordan had...uh...ah...done something better....

No?
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I think Jordan was incredible. But I bristle at the notion that he was the best ever. He didn't win the most rings. He didn't score the most points. He never made his teammates better. I don't know who is the best ever, Bill Russell maybe? But I don't automatically accept Jordan like most people do.


I never used to think so, but now I think Tiger is probably the best golfer ever.
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I thought of Tiger in the thirty seconds I spent writing my list. But is he really better than Nicklaus or the golden age golfers? Probably...but from an athletic standpoint? Golf is weird. There are aesthetics involved. Sam Snead is not a legend for the length of his drives.

"Best" is almost always subjective by most measures in sports.

But the Babe...Hey, all of you know I'm a Cal Ripken fan...but the Babe...baseball means the Babe. Period.

I think.
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I think he is better than Nickalaus. But it took me a while to come to that conclusion. I didn't really like him that much when he first came on tour.

I think Hogan and Nelson and those guys could play today. But Tiger is just awesome. Awesome. I think it was when he chipped in at the Masters in 2005, a shot that most guys could have put within 10 feet of the hole, that I said to myself; "***. I really think he's the best ever."

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Then how come the FIVB called Lorenzo Bernardi "Volleyball Player of the Century"?


Well it is only 2009.
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Hockey: Wayne Gretzky.

Chess: Garry Kasparov.

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Hockey: Wayne Gretzky.


Agreed.
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I know what you mean. Tiger is indeed awesome.

I swear to God, I remember seeing a TV report on him when he was just a wee lad. He was destined for greatness, somehow.

Kind of depresses me. Smile
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See this is what I'm talking about. First Jeff, I wanted to start with something I was into. As you might name a Banjo player, I named a volleyball player. Vandy, I didn't know you new much about volleyball. Kiraly played for 20 years or so on the beach and had the most wins. Playing doubles means you have to master all of the skills of volleyball, not just master one of two. Kirlay won while at ucla, the national team, on the beach... Bernardi was an excellent outside hitter (I think he played outside..), but he was no Kiraly.


I have a theory about this stuff. some have actual, born talent. once in a lifetime kind of stuff, others work their a**es off to get where there are/where. Jordan=talent. Bird=worked a** off.
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Kasparov seems clear enough.

But then the Fisher question always arises. Before he went insane, perhaps he was the best ever. Should insanity disturb our rational assessment?
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Stanley Kubrick

Stevie ray vaughn
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For me, Fischers chess (not personal) legacy is lessened by his early retirement. Once he became the world champion, nobody ever got a shot at him. It's one thing to win the title in grand style (and Fischer's ascent was probably the most brilliant) but quite another to fend off a generation of challengers. Kasparov stayed on top from 1986 to 2000. Amazing.

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As you might name a Banjo player, I named a volleyball player.


I say Earl Scruggs was the best.
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That's right. Kasparov definitely proved himself to be the best for an entire generation.

But what does "best" mean? Could Garry in his absolute prime have beaten Bobby in his absolute prime? And would that mean that he was the "best"?

Kubrick is a very interesting suggestion. He would definitely be in my top ten.

Stevie? Sorry. An excellent musician, but "best" at what? Blues? No.

Art shouldn't really come into this (though it does! as my discussion with Vandy over golf suggests). Kubrick and Stevie Ray were artists. The "best" is very hard to judge esthetically.


Vandy, I'll give you Scruggs. But again, that's my opinion. Technically, Bela Fleck has done things that Earl hasn't dreamed of.

Eddie Merckz? Goes on my list.
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I mean "artists" in the most basic definition.

Kurt Vonnegut.
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