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All I know is that Masters of Illusion makes me appreciate Gary Ouellet's World's Greatest Magic Specials even more - even the later ones that I'd written off as being not as good as the first ones.
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The thing nobody seems to know is that doing magic live does not always translate to a good TV production. They are 2 completly different skill sets.
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On 2009-03-10 09:10, Stanyon wrote:
What a waste of Dale Salwak's time...some cane manipulation and a Silk Fountain. Mac King gets way too much time to do a cards across. (I'm sorry but the "Aw shucks!" bumpkin routine does nothing for me...but that's just me.) Levent seemed to get the most out of his alotted time slots. Synchronized snake cans???? Where was the mastery of illusion in that? This must have been the comedy prop show. Nathan Gibson can continue to do the street magic segments but Krystyn and the other kids have to go. I was almost prompted to tune in to the MM, but I decided on "Monday Night Raw".

These are my thoughts, your mileage may vary.


Maybe it's just me, but I had never seen Mac King's cards across before and I couldn't stop laughing. It was a highlight for me.
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I also enjoyed Mac and could pretty much do without the rest.
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Sorry if anyone else wrote about this but I don't have time to read thru this thread.

I've watched this series, mostly to see close up work. What I saw was PATHETIC at best. Doesn't make much sense why these so-called magicians get televised. Who is this kid Adam Wylie, Total Garbage!!! If you can't hold a coin in classic palm without grabbing at it every other second maybe you shouldn't be attempting to do that trick. I believe my Dog can turn over 2 cards cleaner than this guy. Can keep going but why bother.

This Krystin Lampert or whatever her name is... Does anyone even buy into her street act. Are you kidding me! Total Garbage! Can keep going but why bother.

Don't even remember names of others but coins across effects that were so confusing for their set-up audiences.. That's right, set-up audiences were even confused. The looks on their faces said it all... Oh, is that trick over or is there more jumbled garbage coming my way. Can keep going but why bother.

Why candy coat it people. If any of you know these people, do them a favor and talk them out of performing. If that doesn't work, I suggest hitting them with a large tree limb.

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I saw Mac King in Vegas, probably the best afternoon magic show I have ever seen for sure. One of the theatre ushers was very rude there and kept insisting my wife and I sit next to a baby in the back of the room rather than be allowed to move up 10 feet two minutes before show time, to no avail. So nothing is rarely perfect. But to be totally candid, Masters of Illusion had some of the best magical talent in the U.S. including Mac King, Dale Salwak, Levent, etc. and it was just a matter of trying to capture the acts well for tv- not always an easy thing to do. As D.L. Moody once said when being pummeled by a critic: "I like my way of doing it as opposed to your way of not doing it at all." So I am very appreciative of the effort it took to even get a bunch of magicians on tv- and they did obtain sponsors to produce it. Sponsors in tough times won't pay for a program that no one watches. I watched it and enjoyed it for sure. Hope more are made. Just my opinion of course, from an admitted magic fanatic.
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Bus,

I love food, but that doesn't mean I should support a place known to give food poisoning to their clientele.
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Sure, there was a handful of acts that were really good, but in this country, majority rules. And the majority of the acts on this program really sucked it up.

Garbage in, Garbage out!

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Hey Sam...

lol.. you have spoken! I don't really have an opinion on the show... but Jeff McBride had a few comments in his section about being on the show.

Then again you might not be interested in anything he has to say. I'm sure you're well beyond that. Anyone associated with a garbage show can't be that smart!
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Ray,

You know very well you are setting up a straw man argument. None of the acts had final cut approval, and even Jeff expresses puzzlement as to their choice to change his music (that he owns the right to) for something inferior.

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I've always thought that a creative Producer could some day do a tv program along the lines of "Magic From The Castle" or something like that. Then, in this very controlled environment, tape the acts there under terrific lighting, good head on shots, etc.. and try to capture the essence of a well done act or routine. That would be wonderful magic to see, not much different than an L & L shoot. Maybe they could crank up the "interest" in it using guest stars in the audience or include an outside "live" segment or something. That would be great to see for sure. But selling it to a network to air out might be tough to do. I miss how Johnny Carson or Mike Douglas would have magicians on, it usually came off very well with a fascinated and energetic host and a smaller audience. Pretty clear that Leno or Letterman really have little use for magicians, who I think are more entertaining sometimes what does get on. Just dreaming...
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Hey WDIMagic,

Actually, I would be very interested in what McBride, or other well known magicians think of the bottom feeders trying to do magic... or for that matter, WHY they would allow such poor close up magic to be televised at all.

AGAIN- If you are going to televise, Put up the best, or close to it... If the best is not available, DON'T PUT ON THE SHOW.

I'm not going to apologize for my opinion. As for You! Your free to watch as much garbage as you'd like... Be careful though, It might get into your tastebuds.

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Let's see... if I were invited to perform on a national tv program that also had a large live audience... because I am considered good enough to be on by Gay Blackstone (which I'm not)... and would be paid... and would involve a production team of dozens if not more including camera booms, multiple cameras, grahics, music, laugh tracks, etc... and would include many national magicians including Mac King, Jeff McBride, Losander, Alonzo, Levent, etc... I should say no?- hold out for something better? Sorry, not me, I would have been thrilled for the opportunity.
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Lol... boy I sneak out for a few hours and look how much I have to do when I come back!

Hey Brad!

Geez, I thought I could sneak around you on that one and got caught. ok... here we go!

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On 2009-05-28 00:31, truthteller wrote:
You know very well you are setting up a straw man argument. None of the acts had final cut approval, and even Jeff expresses puzzlement as to their choice to change his music (that he owns the right to) for something inferior.


Absolutely... I got the same LAME music when I did the older series last year an I wasn't puzzled, I was STEAMED! It took all the punch out of the act, killed the pacing, etc. That's not really the question though. The actual argument was ultimately... "Is it good for magic?" Worrying about the music might be more of a straw argument if really examined.

I can only relate Jeff's comment in case it's too hard to look up...

"Like everything in life, there is always room for refinement and improvement, but I am happy that shows like this exist to generate new interest in magic." --- Jeff McBride

Now you can argue with him and tell him that he's an idiot destroying magic as we know it by accepting this... but maybe he has a different opinion based on his professional perspective.

Jeff and I have different views on a lot of things and similar views on others... but I have to respect him as a pro that's been working for years on the respect and art of magic.

I know you're a pro as well, I've seen you do a few routines on your web site but I just don't know you as well as I know Jeff. I don't know your body of work as well as I know his so it's hard to weigh out the differing opinions based on your work and any other factors. For all I know, you might have a school where you teach magic and have students in Master Classes learning your technique, I just don't have enough information to say one way or the other, so I will let history decide the relative merits of your view vs. Jeff's.


Ok.. on two round 2!

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Actually, I would be very interested in what McBride, or other well known magicians think of the bottom feeders trying to do magic... or for that matter, WHY they would allow such poor close up magic to be televised at all.


Hey Sam!

Having never seen your act (or show) I really don't have a great perspective on which to categorize your comments. After all "Garbage" is obviously relative. Maybe the standards which you hold yourself and your act to are of such a caliber than anything that falls below the generally accepted standard of excellence is considered garbage to you.

As a constant examiner of the bell curve of life, most of anything isn't garbage, most of it technically is mediocre. Some is great and some is really bad, but most of it falls in the middle. Television is the same. Look at the number of hours of programming that is required to feed 500 + channels.

Sam, you're probably not a producer or television programmer but let's take CNN as an example. MOST of what is on that channel is thoroughly mediocre programming. There are some great pieces and some things that should never be broadcast but most is in the middle. Most channels are the same. I know it's very de rigur to say that all of television is garbage, but if it was ALL garbage, then there would be a different median. Without getting into my limited knowledge of statistical analysis, if it's ALL garbage, then some would have to be better garbage than others... but that's another discussion.

My perspective is slightly different. I've been around the world and seen a LOT of local magicians and believe me I've seen some people that make the worst performance on Masters of Illusion seem like High Art!

This isn't to say that those people ought to be on television, but that the relative level of "garbage" seems a little skewed. I've seen garbage... a LOT of it and what I saw on the show wasn't stellar at all... but falls way short of what you're describing.

The fact is that the people griping about the show the most are the ones that weren't asked to be on it. They are seeing mediocre performers and thinking "If they can be on the show, why wasn't I asked to do it?" I thought the same things in years past and I know MANY magicians who did the same.

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AGAIN- If you are going to televise, Put up the best, or close to it... If the best is not available, DON'T PUT ON THE SHOW.


lol... Sam, Sam, Sam... In a theoretical level I can say the same thing about anything including your own act. If that was the standard how many shows would get made? I KNOW that quality is better than quantity, I KNOW you think that it would be better if only "perfect" shows were broadcast... now let's come back to reality and commerce.

This show isn't to please you. It's to sell advertising. It doesn't matter if I like it or not, nor do they really care about your opinion. If it sells ad space they will keep making them. I keep waiting to hear a negative comment from someone who actually works in the industry or who has a lot of experience in television or production, but they know better. Sometimes you work on a hit, a lot of times you work on a dud... but you work. You get better, you learn your craft. You master your art.

Or you could sit on here and gripe about it.

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I'm not going to apologize for my opinion. As for You! Your free to watch as much garbage as you'd like... Be careful though, It might get into your tastebuds.


It only gets into your taste buds if you don't learn from it. That's the difference between us. I don't let the fact that I might not like certain choices or performers on the show allow me to throw the baby out with the bath water. (I know it's an old expression... but I'm old!)

I study the bad and good in everything to get better, I don't dismiss an entire genre because 1 performer is bad, nor do I throw out a television special due to 4 bad acts. I'm realistic about things and thankful that ANYONE in this day and age (Post Believe) is willing to accept a magic special. We should be thanking them for trying to push ANY magic special now. Nope, instead we rake them over the coals for trying to get SOME exposure for us in spite of the fact that it might not sell well or the networks fight against it.

Oh, well... I'll have to wait for your special to comment more.
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Ray,

I have known Jeff for years. I was one of the early Mystery School facilitators and have worked with him on and off since then. And yes, I do have my own "school" of sorts. But I keep it very much off the radar.

Since you know Jeff, you also know he is smart and politically savvy. He would know that there would be no point in sending out negative energy over something that cannot be changed. However, he clearly felt that the music decision was a poor one (in the sentence that you did NOT quote.)

But there are two sides of this argument - one of which Bus seems to be overlooking. The people who signed up had no idea what they were getting into. If someone approached you with a professional proposal and made promises of quality, it would make sense to sign on. (I would have hoped that some of the acts would have thought for a moment and asked themselves "Am I really ready for National TV?" But as well all know, magicians are often better at deceiving themselves than their audiences.)

One would have hoped that the producers would have looked at some of the acts and decided they were not up to muster. They didn't. Which is why I believe they must be blind, idiots, or apathetic.

Given the fact they made intentional directorial decisions that made really great acts, like Jeff, less than fully impactful, I am leaning toward blind or idiots.

But you can't blame people who actually have the chops for taking advantage of an opportunity.

That's the "fool me once".

What I would hope is that, if there is a second season, that people will place the value of their art over the ability to add another 'as seen on tv' credit to their resume and choose to avoid participation UNLESS they can get some kind of final cut approval.

Otherwise, we will have another magical abortion on our hands.

Finally, I am disappointed by your recent tactics. Bus's act, my teaching experience, have nothing to do with the argument. Either what we say holds merit or it doesn't. Now, if our acts reveal something about our philosophies in a way which would lead us to conclude - ok, we just have different goals here, then yes. But by trying to play the "appeal to authority" card, your argument looses - well, it just looses.

And sour grapes again? I thought we addressed that already. And a lot of my friends who are on the show have nothing but regrets. How can negative criticism be sour grapes when it comes from the people who were cast?

But what I find most interesting is what I think may come down to the real issue. You state that it's all about selling advertising, and if it does, it is succesful.

See, that's where you and I disagree. I can put naked women on TV having their naughty way with Republicans and that will sell advertising. But it's not good either for people's opinions of women or Republicans.

Just because someone can use magic to sell airtime on a wannabe network does not make it a good vehicle for MAGIC.

Maybe that's where we disagree.

You care about the advertising.

I care about the art.

Brad
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On 2009-05-29 00:29, WDI Magic wrote:
got the same LAME music when I did the older series last year an I wasn't puzzled, I was STEAMED! It took all the punch out of the act, killed the pacing, etc.


Wait - were you on one of Gay's productions? If so, how do we know you are truly objective in this discussion? That's the flip side of the sour grapes argument you are so quick to put forth.

What was your affiliation with Gay Blackstone or the production teams involved? Were you affiliated at all with this current series?

C'mon - be honest.

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Hey Brad...

Good to hear from you! As always, I think we agree more than you think... I'm not trying to defend a good or bad production but educate people as to why choices are made. It's very easy to say that they are either blind, idiots or apathetic, but maybe, there are more options that are being overlooked by people not really in the business of generating programming.

To get a fair perspective I need to address your last note first.

I was on the original Masters of Illusions or what ever it was called at the time along with dozens of other performers. I also was on the World Magic Awards last year so I've shot twice with that team. I've known Gay for many years as well as most of the other magicians on both shows, so I was speaking from the point of view of someone that has been there, and also worked on dozens of other film and television shows, as a technical advisor, actor, stunt coordinator, etc. I thought I had mentioned that as I wasn't trying to hide it. Anyone that knows me knows my credits.

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Since you know Jeff, you also know he is smart and politically savvy. He would know that there would be no point in sending out negative energy over something that cannot be changed. However, he clearly felt that the music decision was a poor one (in the sentence that you did NOT quote.)


As did I, Levent, and many others that have discussed it. I'm not sure you'll find anyone that has done the show that thought their music was "improved". As I said, the music was a very secondary issue to the main thrust of the debate.

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The people who signed up had no idea what they were getting into. If someone approached you with a professional proposal and made promises of quality, it would make sense to sign on. (I would have hoped that some of the acts would have thought for a moment and asked themselves "Am I really ready for National TV?" But as well all know, magicians are often better at deceiving themselves than their audiences.)


Absolutely! With a show like this you start off with the "A" list, then the reality is that after you've committed to deliver the show, you go down as much as you need to fill the spots. Do you think the producers were congratulating themselves over some of the casting choices? No, they did what they had to do to try and make air. They always start with the best of intentions and might have had some commitments from performers that fell though later in the process. So they get the best they can. Did it live up to your standards or mine? It really doesn't matter as it wasn't our show.

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One would have hoped that the producers would have looked at some of the acts and decided they were not up to muster. They didn't. Which is why I believe they must be blind, idiots, or apathetic.


You must not have been in the situation with 2 days to taping and 15 empty spots that fell out or didn't come through at the last minute and you're scrambling for your life. If you've produced a show like this, you'll know you have a certain number of spots to fill. You don't say "Three of these acts aren't up to muster, I think we'll make the show 32 minutes instead of 47 this week". I had nothing to do with the production of any of these shows, but I've done many others and been involved first hand in the complexities involved. I'm not defending but trying to help people understand the process so they will understand what is involved to make an informed decision if they get asked to do one of these.

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Given the fact they made intentional directorial decisions that made really great acts, like Jeff, less than fully impactful, I am leaning toward blind or idiots.


I know you're leaning that way because you're painting with a broad brush. As I've explained before, you get the best people you can afford for any project. I was MUCH less than thrilled with some of the choices in my shots. I learned and moved on.

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But you can't blame people who actually have the chops for taking advantage of an opportunity.
That's the "fool me once".


Exactly which might have been why there were more spots to fill on this series. I know that taping contracts were sent out to people without asking them if they wanted to do the show. They might have assumed that everyone would be on board. When many didn't get returned, they might have had to scramble to fill in the spots with anyone they could find. Was it a smart move? It depends if it gets picked up for another season... that will tell.

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What I would hope is that, if there is a second season, that people will place the value of their art over the ability to add another 'as seen on tv' credit to their resume and choose to avoid participation UNLESS they can get some kind of final cut approval.


And I hope for a world without war or famine. Now let's be realistic. They're aren't going to get final cut. I'm sure you know many magicians that you would consider "sup-par hacks" that would jump at the chance to do this show if asked. Is it right of the producers to ask them? No... is it right for them to accept? No. lol... what have we learned here?

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Finally, I am disappointed by your recent tactics. Bus's act, my teaching experience, have nothing to do with the argument. Either what we say holds merit or it doesn't. Now, if our acts reveal something about our philosophies in a way which would lead us to conclude - ok, we just have different goals here, then yes. But by trying to play the "appeal to authority" card, your argument looses - well, it just looses.


I'm simply trying to show perspective as it is ultimately relative to experience and position. And I think Bus's comment's were very astute, It was Sam that I couldn't rectify as I haven't seen any performance in order to gain perspective on his experience or ability.

Before I read a book, I need to know about the author in order to frame his comments. If they are commenting on something they have no experience in, I'm going to take that with a different weight from someone who has years of experience in the field. I'm sure you don't accept critiques of your act the same whether they come from a "sub-par hack" or someone you admire and respect. I just have to give more credence to experience and knowledge. I think that has everything to do with an argument. I'm not sure how the "Appeal to Authority" should be played... maybe a second deal? Should I say "I don't care about people who know what they're talking about... I have an opinion!" I could say that, but it sounds kind of dumb.

I try and look up information on people making comments as it gives me a LOT of insight and yes, I weigh comments differently based on that.

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But what I find most interesting is what I think may come down to the real issue. You state that it's all about selling advertising, and if it does, it is succesful.


Aha! I see what's confusing. I'm trying to say what is important to the network people who make the decisions. My feelings aren't important. Again... (and I'll try to be very clear) It's all about selling advertising to a network executive in charge of filling air time. If it does, then it's successful to THEM. By explaining other's motives, you don't have to agree with them, it's a process of learning to make us more informed and better able to understand reasoning behind decisions.

lol.... or then again, we could just resort to name calling like "blind" or "idiots".

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Just because someone can use magic to sell airtime on a wannabe network does not make it a good vehicle for MAGIC.


Absolutely agree. Sadly only time will tell if it was ultimately a positive move for Magic or negative one. Jeff thinks it was positive and I do admire his dedication to the art so that opinion does carry some weight with me. I'm not so sure of that myself but I'm open to the possibility.

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Maybe that's where we disagree.

You care about the advertising.

I care about the art.


False assumptions frequently blind people. It's been said that the easiest person to misdirect is a magician. I care about understanding and I've taken a long time to try and understand people that I might not agree with. Whether they be network people, producers or magicians on this board. It just seems that we tried to understand people better, we might have better success at helping others fulfill their dreams and achieve their goals. Some people hide behind art as a barmier to understanding, others use art as a medium to expand awareness. I try and strive for the latter.

And BTW... If I didn't care, I would have been on the show this year.
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Just a "mini-view" from an extremely "mini-producer"- see http://www.ChristianMagician.org.

I produce a local tv magic program for cable access- very fun stuff- shoot the whole thing on a Saturday morning- very small potatoes. Shooting an hour magic show special on July 11, 2009, plus our editor is finishing up two more previously shot 1/2 hour programs in the next few weeks.

No one gets paid, and we all know this is not CBS or TBS. To our shock, the program has taken off and is rerun constantly in our area, probably more than any other locally produced program- even got nominated by the local station manager for an award. Maybe it is just the novelty of it, or because it can be used in any time slot for any age group.

When the magicians watch the programs, all of us, including myself, wish "only if" many times- I wish I had done this or that better, said this, looked better, fixed my shirt, etc, etc.. But the bottom line is that we allowed and agreed to our friend and editor to have full veto power- he puts on whatever he wants and edits it in any way that he wants including adding royalty free music. One short little routine I did for the program I had never heard the music before even one time until I saw the final version in the program.

The end result is we're getting magic on the air in our own little way, and almost all the performers on the show have gotten invitations to perform because of it. So no, it is not perfect and certainly is not up to McBride quality, far from it,... but the magic is getting on the air locally, it is not being "exposed" in a negative way, and even has gotten some local youngsters into being interested in magic.

This is so much better (in my view) than if I had never produced the series at all- as I had many reasons not to: How good really can a locally produced program be with limited resources, peoople doing it in their spare time, all volunteers, amateur hobbyists mostly, and with no budget, actually be? All signs pointed to it never working.

The discovered answer- the local cable stations want more made by us and as quickly as we can make them. Comcast Channel 12 where I live airs the programs daily, anywhere from 4PM to 9PM to 4AM, at all different times of the day and night. We thought each program would air three times and be off, now they are aired more like 50 times each in rotation. Wow.

Thanks again all for you discussion on Masters of Illusion and tv magic in general, I much appreciate reading daily on The Magic Café the various opinions, and am inspired to practice more. The above is not an excuse for not trying harder to get better tv product out there, but a local verification at least here that magic does "work" on tv. Both children and parents will stop to watch it, even if flipping around on the channels. It's basically still cool to do and watch MAGIC- most people still like being either amazed, amused, or work on the "puzzle" aspect of it.

So my hopeful guess is magic programs will continue to be produced for national tv, and maybe the producers of those new programs will have read/telepathed(?) our comments and maybe picked up a thought or two as to how their shows could be improved. Magic is alive and well!

Have a great weekend all, hope all your props and lines work well.
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This show isn't to please you. It's to sell advertising. It doesn't matter if I like it or not, nor do they really care about your opinion. If it sells ad space they will keep making them. I keep waiting to hear a negative comment from someone who actually works in the industry or who has a lot of experience in television or production, but they know better. Sometimes you work on a hit, a lot of times you work on a dud... but you work. You get better, you learn your craft. You master your art.
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WOW! let me see, If a show doesn't please me, or others, there will be limited viewers. Which pretty much takes away any advertising sales, and the program will vanish. Now that would be a good trick! You are totally off base when you say they don't care about my opinion. Like I said before, majority rules, and if the majority doesn't like the program it will come to a crashing halt.

I don't need you to try and school me on television productions. I could care less about producers, sponsers or reasons why the show exists in the first place. I just know that the close-up talent is garbage! That's right, here it comes again. Garbage!

Here's an idea, instead of cutting up the 'good acts', which should run longer, they should just take the garbage out. Like I do every night!

Gotta go for now.
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Ray, To address a few points:

Yes, I listen to every observation I am given. I then evaluate based on my terms. I cannot be a good judge of how I am perceived by others. So, regardless of whether that perspective comes from a rank beginner or an old hand, I listen.

Now - if they start offering ADVICE - that's a different subject.

If I look at the show and see one thing, that's valid. You can't dismiss that (unless you are arrogant beyond belief (using the generic 'you' there)). So, it shouldn't matter whether or not Jeff, or me, or Bus thinks the close up people come off unrehearsed. If they look that way to someone - that's the way they look. The producers can either stick their fingers in their ears, cover their eyes, or make other choices. Blind, uncaring, or idiots.

Now, as to your rationalization - which is what you are offering. Sure, fire and brimstone could have rained down the day of the shooting - but it doesn't matter. You know as well as I, that when you produce a show, you deal with it. You make the choices, and you live with them.

When you make smart choices, you get a pat on the back. When you make dumb choices, you have Masters of Illusion.

It doesn't matter to me what problems they faced or the solutions they found. When you put something out for broadcast, it will be judged. And the only thing we can - the only thing we SHOULD - judge it on is the final product.

Now, I am well aware of how the TV biz works - maybe not to the degree of hands on experience as you - but I have been closer to a lot of projects than many know. For example, I can imagine a myriad of reasons why people involved in the project would not make negative comments publicly. In fact, I have personally read one performer's safe public statement and heard his private lambaste. Do I fault him for being circumspect? Nope. That's his choice. But I do not think you can assume that everyone feels exactly the way they put forth to the public.

Finally, we get to specific choices. I have it on good authority that people were sent to Hollywood magic the afternoon before shooting by the producers and told to pick up material for that evening's shoot.

Assuming this is true (and I trust my source - who appeared on the show) do you have a rationalization for that? Where in TV land would this ever be considered a smart choice?

And we also know that several acts filmed much longer segments. Why could those segments no be used? Why were the edits made as they were? Why the laugh track? Why not spend a little more and get a decent illusionist and not Arian Black or Princess Redhead? Why have effects repeated on the show?

Ultimately you can rationalize all you want. But it boils down to choices. They made them. They must live with them. And to condemn or impugn others for having an opinion of them borders on the ridiculous.

Now, the big question is - is this good for magic? Well, I am not of the school of thought that believes any magic on tv is good for us. Afterall, the negative stereotype did not come from people NOT seeing magic. We can go back in forth all we want, but only time will tell on that question.

But we CAN discuss choices made. And in spite of all the rationalizations that were offered, the final choices led to (what many feel was) a crappy product. Had they made different choices and had it been a great show, we would have given them praise. They didn't and it wasn't.

Brad Henderson
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