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Watson
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I've heard good things about Jim Temple's Color Monte on the forum, that it is an effect that plays big and is used by many. Some like the diamond colored cards that come with it and some use regular cards, and that personalization is ok with me, I kind of like the diamonds. So I bought one. Thanks guys.

Here is my question. I may be over-thinking this, and I'd like you to let me know what you think. You show the top card a lot, and sometimes you take it off to the right and sometimes to the back. This seems odd to me, wouldn't you take the top card off the same way each time?

Now, if the person you are presenting the effect to doesn't notice or care then I think I shouldn't care either. But in actual performance has anyone questioned this? I think it would be better to take the top card off close to the same way each time, that is to back when needed and perhaps slightly to the right and then pull back.

Any thoughts?

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Matt, I would say keep your actions are consistent and smooth, if it bothers you that the top card actions are inconsistent in presentation, it will show. I used to use this effect quite a bit in my amateur days. It's a a great routine and IMHO a lesson in non confrontational Monte presentation.
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Matt,

I've never had a problem with it or have been questioned on it.

Regarding the different actions. When you pull off to the side the cards are displayed a different way than when you pull them off the back. Why? Why not? Variety. You like to mix it up to keep the people on their toes. You know you're doing some massive sleight of hand and you switch handlings so they don't see what you're doing. Any answer like this should satisfy those who question...if they question.

Also, if you are entertaining in your presentation, the payoff is so killer that no one should really care how you did it.
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It's a fun effect...Keep it the way it is, and IMO, the entertainment value is enough to overshadow the moves...
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
Watson
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Thanks guys, just the kinds of responses I was looking for.

I feel a lot better now.

Matt H.
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Matt, There are other handlings for Color Monte. Search "Color monte handling" here in the Café. John
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I always use the pretext of showing the middle card or top card as the two choices. I think this help cover the awkwardness of the Hannamen-Cris(sp) alignment.

Don't forget that as a magician you get a little leeway with handling cards. The more natural the better, but since what you are doing is out of context for a normal situation then it should go over.
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I presented this tricks many time and no one challenge me on the moves. They are so involve in the storyline that they will not have strange feeling of the sleight of hand.

I remember so many times that I thought my audiences should notice some secret moves that I made but when I talked to them afterward, they didn't sense a thing. Sometime I feel like I worried too much.
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Patter is everything in this illusion. If you are using another way to display the cards, weave it into the patter. Emphasize the count, i.e. I thought that there were six cards, but no, one, two, three... Or, he showed me that it was not on top, or on the bottom, etc. If you focus on those beats, and put emphasis there, (as in dynamics in a musical piece) you can change the way you handle the cards during the count and it appears perfectly natural. Throughout the presentation your patter and your hands are putting emphasis on other things leading up to the crescendo, i.e. the buildup of the surprise at the end that has been in front of them throughout the entire performance. And if you can master the moves so they are natural, and speed it up a little at some points, slow it down at others, etc., by the time they get to the bang at the end they can't remember how you got there, especially since they get to touch all the cards at the end and your hands are "clean." Truly a great trick!

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Watson
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Even more great responses! Thanks again.

Attitude and practice - the way to go.

Matt H.
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If you check out Paul Wilson's "Gypsy Monte", you'll find a nice handling wherein the top card is handled (in appearance) the same way each time - the alignment having been removed.

Also, this version features 3 Tarot cards instead of playing cards and the story is fabulous to go along with it.

Can be made to be quite macabre depending on how you want to play it up.

Cheers.
J.Warrens
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I've done this hundreds of times with both the standard Diamonds that come with it and regular cards as well and no one has ever mentioned anything about the handling of the cards. A magician might (none ever have) - but likely they own it anyway. I wouldn't worry about it.
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I really don't like this count as it looks so unnatural, especially when performed by someone who demonstrates smooth card handling skills when shuffling, cutting the deck, etc.

Paul Wilson's "Tres Arriba" count is much better looking than Marlo's Unconvincing Three Way, but the count does change the relative positions of the cards as you turn them face up, which can arouse suspicion during a monte sequence.

Most people are too polite to point out that how you move the cards looks suspicious. Just because no one says anything, it doesn't mean they're not thinking it!

Marty
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I will tell you what the 3 cards that come with Color Monte and the story that unfolds with it is so good professionals STILL carry it around in there pocket.. Its probably one of the first card tricks they ever learned and some of the best still carry it around. Great for adults and older children as well.
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The way the trick is structured with the story and presentation, the audience is interested in what's happening, not so much the mechanics and handling of the trick. Since we're the performer, we always wonder if our moves are "loud", but the audience is just enjoying the story you present. Handling wise - it's whatever makes you most comfortable ^^
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