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MarkTirone
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I have been working on an effect where a coin is crushed into nothing but a small chunk of silver. I have an idea of how I want to acomplish this but my gimmick is being a pain in the butt. So far what it is, is some PK putty roleld up inside a small piece of tin foil, then compressed even more with a hammer into the shape I want it. I have noticed that the edges of the previously flattened tin foil won't stay down where they are. THis makes it ver difficult to do my sleights with it because it snags and starts to peel open. I have tried to sand it, paint over it, glue it, stain it etc. But nothing so far has kept it down. Is there anything I can do that will keep this in it's shape?
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Why don't you try something other than foil, like an actual blop of silver.
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I don't have the money right now to actually buy a real chunk of silver. Plus, I would be too afraid of something happening to it. My initial goal was to create a way around that and still deceive the audience with a small piece of tin foil.
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How about melting some solder?
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On 2009-03-16 22:15, remote guy wrote:
How about melting some solder?


That's EXACTLY what I was going to say!!
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A "blob" of silver would be worth less than $30. Today's spot price is just 12.80 per ounce. So 2 or 3 ounces really isn't that much. I'm sure many of your effects cost more than that, especially coin effects.

But I really like the solder idea a lot!
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Try some silver leaf it is not that costly and it would form to any shape you want Also it will not add any weight to the prop
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Aren't 1964 Kennedy halves silver (at least partly)? But yeah, the solder would look good.
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Mark, I can puddle some 316 Stainless steel for you. $5.00 and free shipping.
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Where can I find some solder and where can I actually buy chunks of silver? If I can't get those the way I want them, I might take you up on your offer TheGreatNipullini Smile
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You can buy solder at any hardware store. Your also going to need a torch to melt it. 95/5 solder which is the solder you will most likely find at Home Depot melts at a little lower than 500 degrees F. If you don't have a torch or can't borrow one I would take Nippulini up on his offer.

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You don't have to have a torch. A tin can on a stove top or heating element will melt it. I cast pewter this way regularly. I use an old can and a single electric heating element. Pick the can up with pliers and pour.
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How would you guys form the molten solder? By pouring it onto a cold wet rag, or into a dish of water, what?....
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Be sure to use solid core solder.

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Printers lead is also a very good substitute.

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How would you guys form the molten solder? By pouring it onto a cold wet rag, or into a dish of water, what?....

Years ago when I made one I just let it puddle on a piece of stainless. It only took a few minutes to complete.
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MarkTirone
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Do you think I can heat up my chunk of aluminum foil in a tin can on the stove and have the peices melt together? I have PK Putty inside it, would that really matter. It says not to microwave it. If anything I can just make another one made just out of aluminum foil
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Mark-

I haven't tried to melt aluminum on a stove, but I don't see any way it is possible. Aluminum has a melting point of 1220.58 F. (I love Wikipedia). I don't know about your stovetop, but mine won't come near that heat.

Solder has different melting points depending on the particular compound, but typically it melts around 300-400 degrees, well within the range of stovetop.

Also as to getting the blob, just pour it on anything. A piece of old wood will work, the concrete floor, whatever. It cools and hardens quickly. I only recommend those because when I spill some or I overfill the mold, it goes on the wooden bench or my concrete shop floor. I end up with blobs. They get remelted and poured.

If it is something you plan to use over and over, I would take The Great Nippulini up on his offer and get some stainless for $5. That is probably less that you will pay for the solder.
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I would avoid lead or solder if you can (health issues). There are more benign alternatives, and you don't have to destroy the mood by telling your spectator, "You might want to wash your hands now..." ;-)

I'd go for the stainless. I think it would hold its looks better over time.

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This is a little off base, but may help someone reading this thread to brainstorm something else....


There used to be an effect marketed called "the mint"... It was your idea in reverse.

You started with a small silver cube, that you rolled into a silver ball (marble). Then you "smushed" the ball into a flat (but blank) piece of silver, then you magically printed (imprinted) one side of the blank disc, then you printed the other side. You were left with a regular half dollar.


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