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baal
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Hello, I have a question about some of materials for close up pad.
Anybody know where I can find rubber what is used for bottom of close up pads, and the sponge what is between a velvet and rubber??
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I think the rubber is the material used for scuba outfits (neoprene, I believe).

Here's one source for Neoprene:

http://rubbersheetroll.com/neoprene_rubber.htm
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Wet suit material makes a decent Close-up pad. When they were first being made some mfg glued velvet to quarter inch thick black rubbery typewriter pads. This was when those giant IBM Selectric typewriters were the thing. I was gluing suede leather to typewriter pads in those days myself as Crescent Moon Magic in the mid 1970s.

I'd love hearing about what you eventually do.

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Tom Krzystof uses open cell foam padding for his close up pad. I'm sure that will work fine for you.
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Actually, I have used automobile headliner material for the tops of close-up tables.
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On 2009-03-25 16:32, ClintonMagus wrote:
Actually, I have used automobile headliner material for the tops of close-up tables.


That sounds like a great idea. Seems like that would make a nice durable surface. How do cards spread on it?? Does it have good grip?? I've never used it only Mali cloth and suede leather. I'd love to check one out.

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I've used it. I think it's been mentioned on the forums a lot. It's cheap and it works great. The only problem is that it's a bit thin so a couple thicknesses of it are better.
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I have used the headliner on several tables.

I think that it is a very nice surface. Cards spread well and it comes in a variety of colors.

My complaints are that it picks up fuzz and lint badly. Since my table breaks down and I have to carry ot from show to show, I have to keep a lint roller with me. Also, it is not particularly durable. It can snag or tear. Then again, it is relatively cheap. I just stretch it and staple it onto my table top so it is easy to remove and I can replace it when it wears out.
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OK, thanks. It doesn't sound all that great. I remember seeing some talk about it a few years ago but I never tried it. Suede leather makes a great surface. No lint and if it gets dirty you can wash it off with a wet cloth. Mali cloth, not so though it is awesome to touch and do cards on. I once had someone send me a Mali table to repair that they burned with a cigarette. Easy enough to replace. Thanks for the info about the headliner material. Suede would have been a lot slower to burn too and cows like it.

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On 2nd thought, maybe cows don't like it at all.

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I did a table a few months ago and used "Faux Suede"! So far it has stood the test and it looks and feels great! I happened to find it deeply discounted at a fabric store so I bought a couple yards of black and a couple of a dark red (wine?)!

The base I use is a closed cell neoprene type material I found for lining tool boxes and doubled it provides just the right amount of give but not so much that it feels spongy! Might need 3 layers for coin work!

Works for me!

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I've used several types of padding. In the 70s there was a quarter inch tan foam backed with gauze called Blackjack Table Padding at a supplier I was using in Vegas. It was nice but at some point the first guy went out of business and I started using half inch Craps Table foam. It was great for doing pick up moves with coins and cards. Plenty of room to get under. You could compress it on the edges more too and get a nicely rounded off edge. I enjoyed making em but I don't miss it. Just the magicians and friends I made.

I think it was Michael Ammar who first suggested wet suit material to me with the cloth backing. I think they were using it for mouse pads.

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Funny, I was just looking in one of my road cases for something and the half inch foam lining caught my eye. It's the gray fairly stiff road case stuff. It looks a lot like what I was buying as Craps Table padding.

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We now use volara padding. It is a closed cell padding that doesn't absorb water or spilled drinks. It's the padding that most casinos now use. Faux suede does work well for some tables. We still use the mali and real suede on tables as well. Headliner material looks to cheap in appearance.
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I was in Office Depot a few weeks ago and I was surprised at what I saw. Oversized mouse pads with a velvety material covering them. They were dirt cheap, too! Some even had some patterns that were suitable for a performance surface.
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On 2009-03-28 14:54, raywitko wrote:
We still use the mali and real suede on tables as well. Headliner material looks to cheap in appearance.
Ray


Glad to hear that. Can't imagine a better serface. I have a picture of a great design to send you. The size is drawn out on the sheet of foam core that I drew the pattern for the Pirate's Knife.

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I'm just gonna have to try real suede on my next table!

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This is what I use, over a closed-cell foam padding. Tough, durable, and it just looks rich.

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Simonis and Mail cloth are very similar. Both are very nice.

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I've known Fred Mali for many years, and their billiard cloth products are also fine for close up tables - plus they offer some unique colors not available in Simonis. Another decent brand of billiard cloth I've used (for pads) is Granito, which is what we use on the table in our rec room.

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