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I have searched and couldn't really find what I am looking for. Does anyone know the history of the lean effect, when it first was performed, first of any variations that might have been published, who has done it, and what variations there are out there? I know it is based on an "old clown gag" (I would like to also find books with these type of gags) And would like to know more on its history. Reason is I saw something in Dunninger that is along these lines and I wanted to modify the version I saw but was wondering what else is out there

Chris
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Here is the only place I know to get a good one but you have to carry a very heavy piece of metal around... There is a comment about someone say he lost a pair of there clown shoes just use the search engine. Here is a link:

http://www.malloymodernmagic.com/the_lean.htm
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Some of you may remember the Michael Jackson video Smooth Criminal. (One of my favorite videos.) There is a scene where Michael and the other dancers lean and it's greatly enhanced by the camera angle. Evidently, it wasn't all special effects because Michael Jackson actually owns a patent for the device used to achieve the effect. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure it's similar to the Malloy method. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smooth_criminal
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Keviner thanks for the info and I understand about the piece of heavy metal but I know there are other ways to accomplish this such as in dunniger. I know about the version from malloy but was interested in the history and origins he devised his from.

Pepka thanks I am aware of the smooth criminal version and Maloy devising his from this.

I have heard it was based on an old clown stunt so there has to be some origins before Michael Jackson or alloy did it.
The main thing I was wondering is any history pre Malloy and pre Jackson and any sources they might have got their versions devised from?

Now though I am curious Which of the following scenarios about the recent history of this is true?

A) Michael Jackson thought of it without knowing about the clown gag just thought it would be cool for a video?

b) Michael knew about the clown thing and adapted it?

C) Malloy knew about the clown thing and modified it

d) Malloy got the idea from Michael Jackson and modified it?
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See what you can find about Bert Easley, who performed as "The Tipsy Trickster". The lean was a staple in his act, and many years ago there was a Genii article about him that discussed his "portable" version of the effect.
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If I remember correctly, in a scene from the Wizard of Oz, Jack Haley as the Tinman also does this, but he quickly goes from side to side. It's probably a different method, or the same method greatly enhanced by wires.
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Pepka,
I'm a Wizard of Oz nut...and I seem to remember hearing about 10 yrs ago that there was a wire affair -- imagine a line parallel to the ground -- like a clothes line. It ran through some kind of eyelet or pulley on his back...

I could be totally dreaming that up....but I think that's how I remember it...
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Yeah, I think I remember that too Brian. I'm also a Wizard nut. I was the Scarecrow in a high school production many years ago.
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I've been heavy into theatre since I was 7 --21 now. Scarecrow was my dream role...but the opportunity never came along...at least it hasn't, yet!

Without Wizard I'd prob not be a magician today. I very clearly remember watching it for the first time the night before Easter when I was four. Everythnig about it was magical. Tornado, witch melting, flying monkeys, a scarecrow that can walk and talk, a giant wizard's head within flames, etc....

The best movie of it's time....
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Just remember you can hurt yourself very badly (have a buddy with a torn acl doing this) if you're not in pristine physical shape......even then things can happen...beautiful effect, but I like walking...AC
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Are there any manuscripts on the clown version? I have seen living statues do it too. I wasn't sure if they were using malloy's or the clown version. Chrusa any info you can forward to me would be greatly appreciated.
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I think this is great effect for a busker or balloon person at a carnival.. Even doing line work!
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Why don't you jusk ask Doug?
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Bert Easley's "Tipsy Trickster" act was probably the first time used in a magic act. He walked on stage carrying a DETOUR SIGN and dropped it on the stage. This was the platform gimmick. That way he could do it anywhere and didn't need to modify the floor. It takes strong legs and without revealing anything, you have to be careful to not harm yourself. You need to be in good physical condidtion.
Cyril has a couple of ways to do this as well.
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On 2009-04-09 00:44, chrusa wrote:
Keviner thanks for the info and I understand about the piece of heavy metal but I know there are other ways to accomplish this such as in Dunniger. I know about the version from Malloy but was interested in the history and origins he devised his from.

Pepka thanks I am aware of the smooth criminal version and Maloy devising his from this.

I have heard it was based on an old clown stunt so there has to be some origins before Michael Jackson or alloy did it.
The main thing I was wondering is any history pre Malloy and pre Jackson and any sources they might have got their versions devised from?

Now though I am curious Which of the following senarios about the recent history of this is true?

A) Michael Jackson thought of it without knowing about the clown gag just thought it would be cool for a video?

b) Michael knew about the clown thing and adapted it?

C) Malloy knew about the clown thing and modified it

d)Malloy got the idea from Michael Jackson and modified it?


I have had no experience with it as a clown stunt but I do know that it is a very, very old stunt used by tap dancers long before the days of television. No wires or magnets are required for that version. But I know it works very well. I've seen it used on stage by professional dancers well over fifty years ago.

It was used successfully in many musicals! (I learned it from my mom! Also in the very early 50s I saw Bobby Davis use it in a stage version of Guys and Dolls.)

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I will know :
somebody know if there are somethings differents systems from the classic technique like the lean from malloy?
I mean somebody have used or not in the past until now " magnet wires or ...I don't know "
but different from the classic system for the same effect,
thanks.
I remember ron jaxon job ( great) , I remember joe labero but what I 've lost?
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I did it back in the seventies. There was no heavy piece of metal used...but the stage had to be prepped. Pretty easy to do. Real trick was in the strength of the performer. I'm not real sure it counts as true magic, does it? I mean...a secret that must be protected?
We counted it as special effects back then...and I used it in a play.
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I would classify it as a special effect too! But I also classify escapes as special effects. Stunts and special effects are often mistaken for magic but the main thing to remember commercially is that we are in the entertainment business. First, last and always we are there to entertain an audience. There is good reason to use multiple vehicles in doing that.

Funny patter isn't magic either. But I get more positive feedback for what is said than what is done. It is still booked as Magic by Sander! (For the last 47 years, I've stayed busy.)

Assuming that the Lean was being done by dancers long before pop singers and magicians still doesn't give us the origin nor prevent magicians from using it. Like music and lighting, it helps make some acts more entertaining. Use every resource required.

Knowing how it is used by dancers, I would be very careful recommending it to most magicians. This takes considerable balance, strength and control. Dancers are conditioned for this.

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PS --- The heavy metal plate is not the only way to do this. I really consider that a "work around" for special and very temporary circumstances.
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That's the reason I asked about it as 'magic', Bob. I was going to discuss method a little more here...but wasn't sure whether it counted as something to be careful about discussing.
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