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I personally use Abbott's "Super X" Illusion for the birthday parties I do. I think is has a much more "WOW" effect than the other 2 floating illusions. The pictures that moms take of their child floating look fabulous.
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The Super x is a great illusion but also has bulk and a heavy factor for transporting to and from a gig. It also has obvious angle issues which one must be aware of prior to any performance. However, it really does come down to personal preference. It means what illusion works best for YOU and the show YOU put on for your clients and audiences. If they are being entertained and you exceed expectations, then that is what really counts.

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Dear Guys,
It seems I have struck a deep chord here with both of you, however, please don’t try to misinterpret what I wrote. This is an important topic for the magical community so don’t try to change the subject.

My post was about the issue of material being brought to market before it is really audience tested. Billy Mcomb did not believe in that and neither do I.

Regardless of how long Todd has worked on his routine, the fact remains that it is not “audience tested” as he claims. Performing something for a month or a few months is not audience tested. That is what my post was about and it is an important issue for the magical community to discuss, which is why I brought this up.

In this last post by Todd, even clearly admits that his carpet routine, the one he is selling, is still “a work in progress.” His words. That speaks for itself in terms of whether or not it is ready to bring to market.

How many years of experience did Kyle have before he wrote his book on the chairs?

It is apparent that Todd is trying to change the subject and make my post about something else in order to skirt the subject.

Okay, now the following is off topic, but just the sake of accuracy:

Todd says he doesn’t know anything about what I did to my carpet or how it looks. He says he has never seen my carpet.

For the record though, Todd did see my carpet on my website, which is why he called me immediately after he saw it and asked me many questions about how my illusion broke down, how it was transported, where the gimmick was positioned, how I designed it to break apart, and other specific aspects that are original to my design. Again, this is off topic but just for the sake of accuracy.

Further, if he never saw it or knew anything about my carpet they why would he have even called me to ask me about it or want to buy it?

I also know other magicians who Todd has contacted and picked their brain about their illusions. Nothing wrong with that. I just don’t like him saying he is “the expert” when he isn’t. I pointed Todd in the direction of the person he should contact to learn more. This person was giving his concepts for free, as Kyle often does.

I don’t understand why Todd feels the need to be, how shall I put this, less than forthcoming with the facts about this. But perhaps this defensiveness is a further indication of the validity of what I am trying to point out.

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Kyle you're absolutely correct. It IS bulky and heavy, there ARE angle issues. BUT... I am always very careful to guard the secret by controlling where everyone sits and how they all scatter from the area after my performance, allowing me to break down in private. I've seen all 3 of the floating illusions and I personally wouldn't change from the Super X to any of the others mentioned.

I offer 3 Birthday Party packages, with the levitation being the most expensive. And about 75 percent of my parties book the package with the levitation!
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Kazam: That is wonderful if it is working for you and working for yourclients and audiences. That is the only thing you could ask for. Congrats on finding something that fits who you are as a performer. =)

Jim: I read everything in full and I am not going to get into the middle of this. I know you well and I also know Todd very well. This is obviously something between the both of you. I only ask and BEG you both to conduct this discussion as an e-mail or PM or over the phone. I see no benefit at all in this form of discussion continuing in this thread (in this fashion). The only thing that will come of it, is to get the thread locked. That happens and we lose a lot of great information and discussion. I wish you and Todd the very best as I do for any magician.

So with that said, let us try and get back to the topic at hand and discuss the best children's levitation that we each feel works the best for us and why we feel that way. What are the pros and cons of each illusion and what can we learn from each?

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Jim- I am not trying to "change the subject" at all! I just wanted to clarify that I did not steal anything from you or anyone else for that matter. That is not my style or intentions at all. Magicians helping magicians is our theme her at the Café. Yes, I've talked with several member from the Café through the years about various things. I've also had numerous people contact me with questions about things. As you said, nothing wrong with that!

As far as me not "seeing your carpet," I mean that it terms of seeing it in person. I do recall seeing it in an action shot on your website which is why I brought it up over the phone and we talked about it. I was and still am thankful for the information you shared.

I am not by any means claiming to be an expert when it comes to building / designing illusions at all. What I am calling a "work in progress" was just that- a work in progress that is now finished and fine tuned. Yes, the finished rountine is not that old but what I am getting at is that it took years to get it to where it is today. I am very happy with the result and judging from the reaction of my audiences, they love it as well. I am with you and totally agree that things should not be done for a short period of time and then released to the magic community. I think you are missing my point here James. It's not like a bought a flying carpet a month ago and started performing it last week. I honestly beleive that what I have done now in terms of performing the illusion (the story and routine) are perfect. Yes, it took my a while of going back and forth between the flying carpet and chair suspension to finally figure out what worked best for me. I am sure it has taken Kyle quite a long time to get his routine as strong as it is today.

I hope you are not frustrated that I have a flying carpet that breaks down. I am sure mine is quite different than yours. The offer alwats stands if you want to see pictures of what I've done.

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You are right Kyle- let's get back to topic! I would hate to see the thread get locked and taken away. No hard feelings toward James on my end- just a difference of opinion!

One thing that I had happen to me on several occassions with the chair suspension was that the living room at a birthday party was very very small and sitting up the illusion took up most of the area. I would always let the client that I need a space with an area of at least 10 feet from side to side. However, I would show up and the room was more like 5 feet wide. I would have to position the chairs kinda' sideways if you will. With the carpet, I never have a problem in terms of space. This is another reason I am a big fan.

What would be really cool would be (and I am pondering doing this) is to add a motor under the top board that the child sits on with a few seconds delay. After 10 seconds or so the board would start moving. I wonder if anyone has attempted that? The only problem I see with this is that it might mentally tell the audience the board is attached to something. Any thoughts anyone?
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You are correct. The chairs do take up more room width wise for sure. I also ask for a 10' by 10' space to perform in. This is part of my agreement. Now I do not always get that space. When I do not, a simple solution is to learn how to move my roll on table off to the side and set up the chairs in front of them. This can certainly be done, but you need to rehearse and practice it so it is smooth and you are covering the right areas. You mist also still be sure your connections are right. This works out very well in the times of tight spaces.

The motor idea on the flying carpet is a good one. I would not forsee any issue in regards to it killing the illusionary effect. In reality I think it would make it stronger. I think it would be important that the audienc efeel as if the magician is causing the the rotation to happen. In fact, having it controlled by a remote in your pocket is another option. This way you could control and stop the spin part way and then finish it. The importance would be that the audience perceive that YOU are causing the spin to take place through magical means. In other words your hand gestures would be needed to look as if you are causing it to spin. Nice idea though and one worth exploring. It would also need to be quiet.

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I took a different approach to the Carpet as suggested by Walt Disney's Aladdin film in which the carpet takes on a life of its own. Rather than under control of the magician, my carpet was possessed and a bit mischevious. It bounced around on top of the book, knocked off objects that were set down on top of it, and seemed to get more and more excited as it approached the time for it to perform. It made chirping noises that I could understand and which I interpreted for the audience. The little tassels on the four corners (again, getting my cue from Disney) were under "zombie" control to make them expressive, and magnetic to make them able to hold small objects and even openly steal them from my person, to the amusement of the audience.
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Great ideas here spellbinder. I really love the notion here of creativity. Of making sure that whatever illusion you are performing, you make it fit who you are, your style and add creativity to it. Make it fun for an audience. Great stuff.

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I am still playing with the idea of the motor. I agree that the hand gestures would be very important to give the illusion that the magician is causing the board to move.

I use a small step stool with 2 steps during my routine. This is used as part of the story and also to allow the kid to use it so getting onto the carpet is super easy. This way I never have to touch a child.
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Todd: I think the motor idea is one worth exploring for sure. It allows the hands to be free and the performer to be no where near the illusion when the spinning magical moment takes place. It could really add to the illusion if it could be rigged up easily, remains quiet and is in full control.

I also use a step stool for the same reason when I am doing the chair suspension illusion. It also serves a purpose of positioning the child perfectly once they are on the board. I place the stool in a certain location so when they step up and sit on the board, the position is almost always where I need it to be. It also adds as a great pedestal for the child at the end of the routine to get a great round of applause.

I think the stool also helps me to develop that trust in me and the helper long before they go on the illusion. It is important that they have no diffculty doing so. Getting on and off should be simple and easy.

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I use the stool for the same reason but also as part of the story. The story is about me climbing a tree when I was a young boy. I use the steps to illustrate!
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Great tie in and allows the stool to also have purpose. I do the same thing. In my routine I talk about growing up and what I wanted to be when I was a kid. I tell the helper that I sat on a stool (sit down) and told my mom exactly what I wanted to be. So in this way it makes sense to my storyline but also serves a purpose of me being on THEIR level when the child comes up.

I like doing this because they see into my eyes and the fear is not there at all (if there even was any). They build that trust with me cause I am not towering over them and it helps me to get them to laugh. Also, because they have seen me on the stool and using he stool, they also are more apt to want to use it as well. I set the example for them.
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Love it!
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Thanks. I think one problem too many magicians do with both illusions is to rush it. They get a child helper up on stage and slap them down on this thing and start performing the illusion. You simply can't do that. You routine and presentation has to be structured in such a way that you build trust in the helper first and then take them through the steps in a calm and steady pace. There is no need to rush into it. I realize that I can get them to relax by 1) being on their level 2) telling a story of when I was their age and 3) getting them to laugh. This is all done before they even get close to the illusion itself.

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You are right....years ago when I had my first flying carpet I rushed it and it did not play well at all. Over the years of performing both the carpet and chairs, I had to get the routine to where I wanted it. Trust with the child is a HUGE factor.

I had a young girl cry on the carpet recently before anything even happened. It later turned out that everytime she came up to do anything she would cry no matter what.
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That brings up another important reason why I do a routine the way I do. It is also why I have a story line with the helper prior to them going over to the illusion.

When I am talking with them and telling them the story, I am really reading them. I am seeing how they react to me. I can tell right there if the child will be a problem or scared or not a good candidate for the illusion. I can figure this out ahead of time which allows me to take different courses of action as is needed.

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I also talk to the birthday child before the show even starts. I do this for several reasons: I want to learn their personality and I want them to learn mine. If I feel for any reason that the child will not cooperate I let the parent know right away. I have had a few parents get upset but I explain to them that it is far better for their child to sit and watch than it is to force them. I simply won't force a child to do anything- period! I also will not put their safety at risk- end of story.
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Absolutely correct. I also talk with the child prior to the show. I also make sure the parents know in advance that I can not perform it for children over 85lbs in weight and that I have an alternate ending if that should be the case. I also state that I can not force any child (including theirs) to perform the illusion. In the event that the child does not want to do it, I have the child help me and become the magician who then makes a friend ssuspend in the air. Either way they are made to be te star of the show.

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I know of a certain magician that several years ago forced a child to do the chair suspension. The child was crying and begging to go back to their seat. The magician said and I quote, "you volunteered for this so let's do it!" All I could do was watch in horror. Needless to say, I have not seen or heard of this guy performing anymore. Talk about unprofessional!
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