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How much in all to build a working quality version that will last?

Also, does anyone have the Super X version that you can walk away from? Is there a huge difference in the price and weight as well? Again, I'm looking for the best looking, most practical living room package. If anyone knows of plans for sale to build too, it would be much appreciated.

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Posted: Jun 27, 2009 2:28am
Anyone???

Also, does anyone know what levitation Patrick Harris is currently doing?
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I think this really is a hot topic for debate.. Everyone would love to have a true levitation to do in living room partis but seem limited to "magic carpet" and "Chair Levitation"

A good developer really could open the door to something better someday...
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You're very correct! In fact, I'd have busted out my card already!!!

Spellbinder, if nothing else can you say that you had good success with Super X in the B-day party arena? I know there's angle issues BUT, it is undoubtedly more deceptive than the "other two". I love your idea with the chairs! Would this work with the walk away version? Thanks!
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On 2009-06-28 23:50, Kevinr wrote:
I think this really is a hot topic for debate.. Everyone would love to have a true levitation to do in living room partis but seem limited to "magic carpet" and "Chair Levitation"

A good developer really could open the door to something better someday...


It's a worthy aspiration but the truth is people have been clamoring for something like that for a long time and it hasn't happened yet. That doesn't mean it won't but there are severe limitations for performing a true levitation in a living room.
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Well, there's always "Neo-Rise" - using m*****s, which weighs about 6 oz, and is a superb, funny levitation. Also, Jolly Roger's floating magician routine - something like "Cloth of Invisibility"...
And of course, many performers are now using "In-Flight" since Magic Dave included it on his first DVD. His presentation worked because it was comical, but it's really a non-illusion, as it's obvious that the performer stands on the box. Possibly one of the lamest levitations on the market...
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Doug,

Are you pro-Flying Carpet all the way then? Do you use it with much success?

Thanks!
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Pro Flying Carpet - yes. Though if I didn't wear enormous shoes, I'd probably use Neo-Rise a LOT. I may start using Roger's Cloth of Invisibility, as it's funny and neat, plays better by far than In-flight, in my opinion.
The Flying Carpet is a big old thing to lug around, and beware - there are many cheap imitations out there. the low quality Flying Carpets are a joke, my friend recently acquired one, and you can actually SEE the gimmick as the table top rotates!
See my flying Carpet in action about half way through this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw933NoTy0o
Notice the kid in the foreground saying "It's magic - I didn't think magic was real". That's the reaction the Flying carpet gets.
I highly respect Kyle's love of the Chair Suspension though, and I'm sure if you get his ebooklet, he has suggestions to make this illusion play well too. If I ever offer a chair suspension, it will be the one where both chairs are removed.
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If I ever offer a chair suspension, it will be the one where both chairs are removed.
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But which one can you remove both chairs with and STILL drag it in the living room with no angles and easy set up like a chair suspension Potty..

That would be HARD to pull off.
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I think folks need to make sure they realize that the chair suspension is just that, it is a suspension. If both chairs are removed, you change the nature of the illusion entirely. You then will have a levitation style effect.

Now with any illusion, it comes down to your style and presentation that makes it entertaining. You can not just place the prop out there for olks to look at and go "tada". lol It is what you do and your routine that makes the illusion play well.

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If I ever offer a chair suspension, it will be the one where both chairs are removed.
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But which one can you remove both chairs with and STILL drag it in the living room with no angles and easy set up like a chair suspension Potty..

That would be HARD to pull off.

Actually, it's already out there.....but perhaps, no one is making it right now?
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Good stuff Potty! Looks like a high energy show, and I like the song!

Well so far for me it's neither of the status quo yet. I picked up Float Me Alone because it just seems too practical at 30 lbs with a 175 lb capacity AND the case is 1/3 the prop! Being able to float myself would just be an added bonus!!! Plus, I'm a huge fan of the "ordinary" doing the unbelievable! Much of the reason the chairs interest me, but who knows where I'll go from here???

Your carpet did look great! What make if you don't mind me asking?

Thanks!
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Thanks for your kind words, Zaprig. I bought my Flying Carpet from Tommy Cooper Magic in Blackpool. I don't actually know the manufacturer, but it's a "home-made" affair, nonetheless, one of the best FC's out there, in my opinion.
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Hey Potty,

Yes I am well aware of the two chairs being moved illusion...

The issue with it thougis to drag all that in a living room WITHOUT getting caught and NO ANGLES.. (like the simple chair suspension)


If you know of two chairs that can be removed and is a set up time of a chair suspension with similar angles.

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I don't know of such an illusion with a quick set-up, at least not as fast as the chair suspension. What set-up? I wouldn't perform such an illusion in a living room. But most of my kid's parties are held in halls, and I also work a lot of public events....so for such an effect, I'd ensure plenty of space. The illusion I'm referring to is "The Amazing Floating Lady" (I think). I honestly can't be certain it's that one, but the one I'm thinking of can have 360 degree audiences, IF the gimmick (which is shaped like a certain letter of the alphabet) is hidden by correct routining - mostly simply by the performer's costume, if possible.
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Potty,

You speak of the Super X. Just my opinion, but the most convincing suspension of all. No visible means of support, and a totally convincing hoop pass to boot.
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The only thing is the Super x is not considered a suspension. It is considered a levitation. A suspension is one in which the audience can see something apprently holding up part of the assistant. A perfect example of this would be the broom suspension or the chair suspension. The audience sees the object (such as the broom or chair) suspending part of the body. in regards to the super x, the audience sees nothing holding the assistant up, hence this would be a levitation style illusion.

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Kyle -

I thought a levitation had to rise and descend, for it to be a levitation. I thought a suspension had no movement to the person floating.

It's been a while since I looked at a copy of the Encyclopedia of Suspensions and Levitations.

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Not at all. In my frame of reference (at least in regards to magic) a levitation means simply that something is levitated or not suspended or held up by something else. A levitation does not have to move to be a levitation. It simply must look like nothing is holding it up. To me, levitation is to float in the apparent difiance of gravity without the means of support. Just my personal take on it.

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In the "Encyclopedia of Suspensions and Levitations", it defines the differences between the two.

I'd like to hear an external commentary from an "authorized source" (such as that book)... not our personal feelings.

Unfortunately, I don't own a copy of that book, so I can't pull it out and reference it.

Here is one previous thread: Suspension vs. levitation (Dennis Michael seems to define it the same way as I do. But Bill Palmer shares Walter Blaney's definition a bit later, and it seems to agree with yours.)

- Donald

P.S. Don't get me wrong, Kyle. I'm saying that you might have a misunderstanding in your definitions. But I am not saying that you aren't knowledgable on the topic of the chair suspension, etc.
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Just a quick heads up, there is a great levitation coming out you can use practically anywhere. Jeff Jones of Magic Backdrop fame is going to be releasing it in the near future. If you know Jeff and his work it is really great.

You can actually see a short video of Jeff performing this at a library at http://www.librarymagician.com

I think it looks great! And from what Jeff has said he performs it almost everywhere and is truly portable. Oh and you don't need a backdrop even thou he makes the coolest.
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