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Feivel: PM me as I would be happy to assist you with it.I own a Sommer'smodel as well as seen many differnt modelsover the years. I would be happy to assist you on it. I also wrote an ebook all about this illusion and it's proper handling. That may also come in handy for you as well.

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Anyone have a link to the in-flight?
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Removing both chairs -

Walter Zaney Blaney's "Ladder Suspension" and his "Suspension 3001" both allow the removal of both supports, as does the very, very rare Owen's Chair Suspension.
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Right but keep in mind that by definition these are not in the realm of what we call and refer to as a chair suspension illusion. These are also way more pricey in cost. Th beauty of the chair suspension (and similarly the flying carpet) is that these are illusions that a family-style entertaioner can purchase on a limited budget. It is a great illusion that can be performed at a birthday party event, be done solo and not break your bank doing so.

Also, if performed correctly and performed with a proper routine, there should never be a time where the audience would want you ro remnove the other chair. The problem and reaosn this happens to some folks is simply the misunderstanding of how to do the illusion porperly and the fact that the routine lacks in many ways.

Too many magicians get the chair suspension illusion (or flying carpet) and put it into the show the very next day. no routining, no practice and certainly no full understanding of how it works and safety tips of handling. They also rush it so much that the kid gets nervous simply because the magician tends to "forget" who they are.

if you are doing these illusuions, or any illusion with kids, take the time to step back, read, learn and really study the illusion before you use it. Really make sure you understand how to properly place a child on it and develop a routine that builds trust and has entertainment value.

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You tell em' Kyle!
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Lol Thanks Todd. I try to. Between you and I we can tag team and lecture on both illusions. hmmmmm lol

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On 2009-05-01 02:24, ya4davecox wrote:
Removing both chairs -

Walter Zaney Blaney's "Ladder Suspension" and his "Suspension 3001" both allow the removal of both supports, as does the very, very rare Owen's Chair Suspension.


Yes but doing this in a living room with kids? Not sure how that would work at a birthday party..
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Also, if performed correctly and performed with a proper routine, there should never be a time where the audience would want you ro remnove the other chair. The problem


Kyle,
Could you share what specifically in your routine keeps the children from shouting take out the other chair?
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Hi Arnie,

I w3ould love to go into detail on this. The problem is that there is just so much I do that allows for the maximum entertainment value of the illusion and makes sure the audience and kids react the way I want them to react. This question alone was one of the main reasons I wrote my ebook. I kept getting asked how I do it and what steps I go through to ensure that I get the reactions I seek. What started as an answer to a friend asking he same question, ended up in a 16 page ebook that covers this exact topic in detail.

Everything in the book is centered around answering your question but also going into the psychology of the illusion, safety tips and techniques, proper placement, pacing of the illusion and more. All of these factor in on presenting it correctly and by doing so, creating a routine that engages.

I do not mean to shrug off answering your question. I can go into some of it if you would like. It just literally would take me a few very long posts to answer in in full. However, one important lesson to realize is that the illusion is not a levitation. Many folks get this mixed up and try and sell it as so. The illusion is a suspension. A person is suspended in the air defying gravity but being supported by a possible single source. A broom suspension illusion is a suspension style effect and likewise, so is the chair suspension illusion. It is not a levitation and should not be routined that way.

Kids are smart and if your routine is based around the concept of levitation and the patter is geared that way, then the children are basically being directed down a path you do not want them going down. In my routine and the way I present and perform this illusion, I choose to lead them down a different path. It is like controlling a band. The director can (based on what he or she does or says) direct the audience to think and feel and react the way they want them to. This is what I refer to in another article I wrote called Audience manipulation.

I will try and find time later on to add to this as I would like to help you (and others out) with this illusion and your questions as much as I can. This illusion, along with the Flying Carpet) are great illusions. So many magicians just trash them because they think they do not and can not play. This can not be further from the truth. Both illusions are fantastic in the hands of someone who learns how to perform and present them correctly.

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Hmmmmm!
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Yes!!??? You're thinking, Todd? lol
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No doubt, Kyle's e-book would be a must if you do go for the Chair Suspension. Perhaps one day I'll decide to add that illusion, and if I do, I know for sure that's the resource I'd get for study.
My opinion of "In Flight" is rather unfavourable I'm afraid, but I've never seen it performed well. The obvious addition to this illusion is "Neo-Rise", which would STUN the audience, but would also require a lot of practice, to attain the balance required. Needless to say, I've never seen the two effects combined. As it is, In-Flight leaves everyone who sees it under the impression that the performer stood on the box......a rather obvious assumption. How, other than a method like Neo-Rise, could you convince anyone that you're NOT standing on the box?
Perhaps the real answer would be a "Zombie" device used with a pair of shoes at the bottom. Using Bill Abbott's method for "The Thing" to hide the gimmick. Sell that gimmick with "In Flight", and you have possibly the funniest portable illusion available, performable surrounded, next to "Passing Water".
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Thanks Doug for the kind words. Much appreciated my friend. =)

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Hi Kyle,
I just read your book and it is excellent as far as safety and positioning. But there is nothing to answer my question. You even tell the child they are going to "float" so how does that separate it from a perceived levitation? The superman image seems to point to the idea of levitation rather then suspension. Do you say that they are going to float by their neck only? How do you take the heat off of the other chair?
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Still thinking Kyle. We need to get together and do a lecture at Kidabra. You going this year?
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Hi Arnie,

Thanks for the kind words about the ebook. In the ebook I did not put in my full routine for obvious reasons. What is in there is a basic idea for my routine only. I did not want folks utilizing my full illusion routine as it has taken me so long to create it. Hope you understand. But let me try and answer your questions as best as I can.

When I perform the illusion I bring a child up on stage. The very first step is to get the child relaxed and trusting me. Throwing the kid right up on the chairs and doing the illusion is asking for trouble. So what I do is to make sure the child trusts me and I do that through laughter. I want them to laugh cause when they do they relax. Also, doing this takes the heat off of the prop and onto me and the child. It becomes changing the focus.

if I came out and immediately showed the illusion and took a child and placed them on it, then the heat and focus becomes to centered on the prop itself. I like to change the focus right from the start. I first get down on the child's level. Towering over them scares the kids. The story line I use is one kids can relate to. It is talking about super heros as all kids can relate to them.

I get the kids saying what their favorite might be. I tell them that I will tell them my favorite but it is silly and they all must promise not to laugh. Of course doing so always gets them laughing... which is what I want them to do. I tell them mine was Superman because he could fly through the air. (the patter goes on but I do not want to reveal too much here). You can see by doing this the focus is no where near the chairs at all. the focus is on the child and myself and what we are going to do.

But I state clearly in the patter that I never got to learn how to make people fly and I never became Superman. However I did become a magician and as a magician I have learned to do something that sort of looks like flying. I can make a person float on the edge of these chairs. In order to do this I need 2 things. I need magic and I need imagination. The imagination is where the child comes in. It is his or her imagination that helps me make this work.

Now notice that this is all done before ever placing the child on the chairs. You may also be wondering how this has anything to do with them not wanting the other chair removed. Well to answer your question, I am entertaining them and engaging them from the start. I am taking heat off of the prop simply by not drawing attention immediately to it. The focus becomes on the child and on me. The audience becomes so entertained by the experience I am creating that there is no reason at all to even ask for them to remove the chair.

The build up is all leading to the point of removing the final board. I even state in the routine (prior to removing the board) "They often say imagination is called magic and magic is often called the impossible and the impossible looks a lot like this...(pause)' That is when the last board is removed.

In this fashion my routine and patter is directing them to realize this is the ending of the illusion. This is the last part of it and the great "reveal". They are directly lead to understand that this is the ending. Because I am directing them in this fashion, no one has any reason to want the other chair removed. The routine is also structured in such a way that I am engaging them at all times through patter, movement and music.

If I stand there and just do the illusion and pause for a long time (after board is removed), I am not dictating the end of the illusion. The audience has no clue what is supposed to happen cause I have not told them. If this is the case, then the logical reaction becomes wanting the last chair removed because they think that is the ending and the next logical step. See my point? My routine leads them down a certain course and through my patter and actions they KNOW ahead of time what the end of the trick is. Because they know, they have no reason to go any further.

What I am not doing is standing up there and going WATCH THIS!!! This is what too many folks do. This puts heat totally on the prop and the audience has no clue what is going to happen. You are not directing their focus at all. If you do it this way (and many do) then the audience is left with wanting to comment simply because you are allowing them to. My routine focuses them and points them all in a direction I want them to go in. It is in essence "audience manipulation". I am manipulating them without them knowing it.

It is a very hard concept to fully explain and I apologize if I am not doing a good job here with it. I will do my best (as always) to answer anyone's questions about this illusion. To fully explain it one would really have to see me perform it or work with me.

So for me, I take the heat off the chair simply by directing them the way I want to direct them. This is through my patter and routining. At no time do I say the child will be floating in mid-air. I also do not say levitate. The words I use are chosen carefully but are used for a purpose.

I also find that if you engage the audience through an effective routine of this illusion, they become so engaged with you and with the child, that there is no time or no reason to shout out anything but to applaud you for what you are doing.

I hope this begins to help if even a little bit. If you or ANYONE has any questions at all, PLEASE let me know. I am here to answer them for you and to assist anyone that asks it of me. My pleasure. =)

Kyle

Posted: May 1, 2009 4:13pm
Todd: I want to but do not know if I could get the time off. If I was doing a lecture or something, then I would and could make it work for sure. I would just need to know in advance. I would LOVE to work with you on a lecture like this and team up if we could. I think you and I could give a very detailed and powerful lecture that could really make a difference and educate. Let me know your thoughts my friend.

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Thank you so much Kyle. I am in the midst of re-working my chair routine and you have helped me get the creative juices flowing,

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Arnie,

You are most welcome. My pleasure. Let me know how it is going for you. In fact, let me post my personal email address for you here. if you need or want any feedback or suggestions, simply email me anytime. My pleasure to assist you.

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Hope the ebook and these posts are of help to you to achieve the routine you want to create.

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Kyle,

I recently purchased your ebook, and I must say that I really enjoyed it, a lot of excellent information and discussion on subjects I had not considered. I have not purchased a chair suspension yet, but I will be shortly, so I wanted to read your book so that I could make an informed decision when choosing which to buy.

Your post above regarding the psychology of your routine is excellent and has already got me writing ideas down about my routine (before I have even bought a chair). I think this is the missing chapter of your ebook. So I hope you don't mind, but I have copied that post and added it to my copy of your ebook.

thanks.
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Thanks so much for your kind words. it is most appreciated. The ebook was one of the very first ones I ever wrote. It was never intended to actually be an ebook. I wrote it as a help to a friend who wanted information. lol I got so many people then emailing me and asking me abiout this book I sent to my firned, that this came to be the ebook that is now out on the market and doing very well.

I have a lot of additional information and am thinking about releasing a much broader and expanded version of the ebook as a physical book in the future. This would be the information in the ebook as well as a vastly expanded section on physchology, pictures of different types and brands, step by step photos of hook ups etc. etc. It is on my list of projects to work on. =)

This is why for now, I tell every person that if they have any questions at all about this illusion or the ebook, to simply email me anytime and I will go over anything with them. it is my pleasure to assist anyone with this great illusion.

So yes, please copy and add that to the ebook as you would like. That is not a problem at all and glad it was of help to you.

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