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I don't think this qualifies for a "levitation" I am also not sure how that would play out in a small living room..


I think you'll find it is a levitation. Perform it in any small living room and watch the booker hit the roof.

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On 2009-04-22 16:19, magicgeorge wrote:
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I don't think this qualifies for a "levitation" I am also not sure how that would play out in a small living room..


I think you'll find it is a levitation. Perform it in any small living room and watch the booker hit the roof.

Thank you very much. I'm here all week.


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Heh, yeah, I'm so glad Kevin replied to that or I would've just been left there looking like an eejit. Smile
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No one has mentioned Nicholas Einhorn's In Flight, a great levitation for parties. Price-wise it is not much more expensive than a good chair levitation. The chair levitation beats the flying carpet hands down - and is very portable.
Loved magicgeorge's contribution.
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Kevinr: Thanks for the ebook purchase. I am sure you will find it of big help to you. As you work with the illusion, let me know. I would behappy to assist with any questions.

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As far as chair suspensions go, I'm really happy with the European Suspension from Hocus-Pocus. It's darn sturdy. Having a child fall off shouldn't be an issue if you have an assistant (or parent, but probably better to have a trained assistant) up at their shoulders. I use the chairs earlier in the show to seat two volunteers during at least one trick, just to get the audience used to seeing them as normal chairs.

Oh, and another vote for Kyle's e-book. It's a very worthwhile resource from a magician who has performed the effect countless times in different settings. He has some valuable safety tips, among other nuggets.
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Not in the same category, but has anyone tried Jolly Roger's Cloth of invisibility?
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On 2009-04-22 21:26, TonyB2009 wrote:
No one has mentioned Nicholas Einhorn's In Flight, a great levitation for parties. Price-wise it is not much more expensive than a good chair levitation. The chair levitation beats the flying carpet hands down - and is very portable.
Loved magicgeorge's contribution.


Not familar with this one do you have a link?

Posted: Apr 28, 2009 4:06pm
Chair Suspension and Flying Carpet...

man if someone could think outside the box and come up with something new to compete with these two..

Maybe Wolf Magic will.
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On 2009-04-22 21:26, TonyB2009 wrote:
No one has mentioned Nicholas Einhorn's In Flight, a great levitation for parties. Price-wise it is not much more expensive than a good chair levitation. The chair levitation beats the flying carpet hands down - and is very portable.
Loved magicgeorge's contribution.


Not familar with this one do you have a link?



I guess its mentioned here:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=6&7
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On 2009-04-27 12:27, John Long wrote:
Not in the same category, but has anyone tried Jolly Roger's Cloth of invisibility?

It's a nice trick and can be sold as a levitation but in Roger's presentation is a vanish.
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This is an interesting and timely thread. I was researching this exact topic recently for a birthday party for the little darlings I performed at.
I wanted to find a parlor levitation because it's asked for sometimes, but I didn't find anything that I liked.
So I considered the chair suspension instead. There was a Sommers on ebay that I almost bought. At about the same time, I saw a youtube video of some guy who had the participant fall right off - it was ugly. It had an impression on me, and I decided to pass. Kyle's ebook sounds like a solid investment if I decide to commit.

I'm going to revisit this though. I would prefer a levitation over a suspension. I acknowledge that what I think the kids like and what they really like are two different things. I love this aspect of performing for kids. So I want to first ask - for those of you doing the suspension - how well is it going over? How about for a levitation? anyone doing both that can shed light on which plays better?

Unfortunately, the Sommers suspension sold on Ebay. So that is gone. And the European Chair Suspension is expensive...

Thanks for any insights,
Brian
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I've got to go counter to the flow, here, and say, if you're choosing a suspension, I think the Flying Carpet beats the Chair Suspension.

I should start by saying that I don't DO the regular chair suspension. I have, however, been a very supportive audience member in many, many shows where it is performed. I have heard, many, many times, "It was pretty cool the way he got that board to attach to the chair, huh? Some kind of hook, I guess." And that's on the BEST side. Those of a less mechanical bent often say, "Why didn't he pull out the other chair?"

The Flying Carpet, however, I HAVE done, hundreds of times as a youth, and it went over very well. If you attach the gimmick slant wise, you get to see clear under the carpet. If you modify the screen, it can be done surrounded. If you don't use the cheap, flimsy sword-like things, it doesn't look cheap and flimsy.

Of course, I don't know what the appreciative audiences members were saying after my youthful shows...
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To each their own on levitations!

I have personally used both the chair suspension and the flying carpet numerous times and I will confess that the flying carpet actually gets a better response than the chairs IF DONE PROPERLY. It took me years to come to this conclusion!

I know that Kyle and many others love the chair suspension and that is great for them. For me however, the chairs just go over my comfort zone. I am well aware of the safety issues, etc. etc. etc. that come with the performing this illusion. However, I've always had that "but what if" feeling about it. What if the kid did fall off for some reason? What if they decided to freak out during the trick? What if???? You get the idea!

Years ago I started off with a flying carpet and hated it at first. In my opinion it was a really bad trick that was easily figured out. I then went to a chair suspension and got a much better response. However, that WHAT IF feeling came back. I have heard of 2 performers that have had kids fall off of the chair suspension. Don't know what happened to make the child fall but the fact is they fell during the show. LAWSUIT! Think about that for a minute.....

Kids will be kids! You can go through all of the safety stuff you want BUT if the kid freaks out, won't cooperate, etc. you've got a problem!

Kyle loves the chair suspension but he also has his wife there which is SUPER SMART. The chances of a child falling during his show are almost non-exsistant.

Recently, I even purchased another chair suspension that was suppose to made even better with more safety features in place. I bought it with the understanding that if I did not like it, I had someone else who was willing to but it from me. I performed it about 20 times and got a good response each time. However, I had a boy at a birthday party on it and he freaked out on me. At this point he is already covered up with the blanked (whatever it is called) and he decided to grab the sides of the board. Needless to say, it feaked me out as well and I pulled it out of the show right away and promised myself that I would NEVER EVER perform a chair suspension ever again.

Now, I know and expect that many people will most likely come on here and give me their comments about how I did something wrong. Please don't bother! The fact is that I have tried the chair suspension and just don't feel comfortable doing it. I've got a dear friend of mine that has used it for years and years and swears by it. I think that is great! I am just saying that it is not meant for me.

I perform the flying carpet and have perfected a hilarious routine with a tear-jerking story that makes moms cry complete with music and all. I don't use swords and don't spin the child either. The gimmick is off to the side and truly looks like the child is floating. The flying carpet actually gets a great response if performed slowly and correctly. It relies on a VERY STRONG presentation to really make it go over great. It took me some time to perfect this routine but it had know become such a strong part of my shows that I just can't see me not ever doing it.

FYI- I had a fellow performed come watch one of my school shows a couple of days ago and his words were, "I kept wondering how the flying carpet was going to play to the audience but it was really great. In fact is was powerful and my favorite part of the show!" This came from a well know kid show performer!

So....do whichever levitation you are comfortable with. Just remember that presentation and the safety of the child is the most important part.

Last, I don't like the idea of a child having to lay down on a long board. With the carpet, they sit indian style and don't feel anything.
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I am planning to use my barstool levitation to levitate a child sitting indian style. I will use a "magic cloth / carpet" to cover his/her knees to hide the gimmick. I'm not yet sure if this will work well. Just planning.
On the other hand, maybe, I could use the mother instead just to play safe. She could just cross her legs and I put a small cloth on them.
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Todd, I absolutely agee with you about the Flying Carpet v Chair Suspension. For years I've favoured the Flying Carpet, even though it's a pig to transport and set up. The Carpet illusion is MUCH stronger, when presented properly - why? Because the kid is seen to FLOAT, SPIN AND MOVE THROUGH THE AIR, whereas the Chair Suspension is more of a "mental" illusion, as the "floatee" is always supported by a chair at one end.
Of course, there is the fancy version where both chairs can be removed, but I'm not aware of such a version that could be performed surrounded. One such version allows the floatee to float all the way around the performer, a full 360 degrees. I wonder if it would be possible to routine that version, so that you could be surrounded? I'm thinking a prop/accessory of some kind to cover the workings initially, and then ones own costume to take over the "cover up". Any thoughts?
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On 2009-04-29 12:19, Lou Hilario wrote:
I am planning to use my barstool levitation to levitate a child sitting indian style. I will use a "magic cloth / carpet" to cover his/her knees to hide the gimmick. I'm not yet sure if this will work well. Just planning.
On the other hand, maybe, I could use the mother instead just to play safe. She could just cross her legs and I put a small cloth on them.

my I ask were did you get your barstool from?
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PP: I once thought that the chair suspension was the best overall illusion for floating someone. There is no doubt that it does get a huge reaction but I have had kids and adults say, "take out the other chair!" And then there is the WHAT IF factor that I mentioned earler.

If a kid were to fall and you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, your complete career could come falling down as well. Just think of what people would say about your show, even if it was not your fault.

I had a little girl who was 5 years old on the carpet last weekend. She cried toward the end and nothing even happened to make her cry. She was simply overwhelmed. I can only imagine what would have happended if she would have been on the chair suspension!

As I mentioned before, I have used both. It took me awhile to perfect a great routine for the carpet which is why I went back and forth between the carpet and the chairs. In the end, I chose the flying carpet to be the best illusion for me. It can be made / modified to break down and simply snap together which is what I am currently using. Mine fits into a suitcase on wheels. Transporting it is now super easy! I use music and a very funny routine / story during my presentation. I get a great reaction everytime I do it- no joke.

Most people (myself included at one time) think that the flying carpet is a stupid trick. It is if you buy one and don't change the gimmick, the overall look, etc. The carpet takes a VERY strong presentation to pull it off the right way and make the audience beleive that the child is floating. I for one have NEVER had anyone tell me that they were able to figure out how it works. They might but they don't say so to me.

I also think that the carpet is much more user friendly. The chair suspension is long and takes up a lot of room in someones house. The carpet is much smaller! You can any age child on the carpet without havng to worry about a thing.

Again, it all comes down to preference.
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Todd75,
Very helpful insights, which for me ring true as well.

Which manufacturer is recommended for the flying carpet? also, you say you had to change the gimmick - was it difficult to do? can you pm me with the details?

Thanks,
Brian
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Brian: thanks!

As far as changing the gimmick, I guess I should have said "making it to break down!"

I took the gimmick to a machine shop and had them make me an all new gimmick which is 3 times as strong as the original one that came with the illusion. The while thing can be put together in literally seconds with no bolts to screw into place, etc. It simply snaps together!

I have plans to start having these made from scratch with much better materials than what is currently being offered by magic dealers. Currently you can get a MAK magic one for about $399.00 or so and the Daytona magic one goes for around $599.00 or so I think.

The materials are not expensive at all. The time it takes to machine it is not all that labor intensive either. I am hoping to be able to sell these complete with my routine, performance rights and music for around $450.00 or so!
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