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A new trick from Nathan folks!

Is it just me or is the method painfully obvious? Anyone inspecting the bill after the trick will discover how it's done.

I usually like Nate's stuff but I'm not sold on this one.
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On 2009-04-12 05:36, Andi Peters wrote:
I usually like Nate's stuff but I'm not sold on this one.

It appears that this trick is just being sold through Kranzo's site. The creator is a young guy with Kevin Parker on the dvd.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huiWobItm......nel_page

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On 2009-04-12 05:36, Andi Peters wrote:
I usually like Nate's stuff but I'm not sold on this one.

It appears that this trick is just being sold through Kranzo's site. The creator is a young guy.

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Maybe why it's not so good then, imho of course.
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Id like ot tip in here and say that its not kevin parker. Steve Fearson first came to with the method then Morris rain perfected it ( to the exact same as vision) and released this a number of years ago..



Im disapointed that they went ahead and released htis even after I told the young man this..

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That's the thing with these youngsters, they simply don't do any research. Then when you try to give them advice they ignore it and think they know best.

I wonder if Nate's aware of all this. His reputation's too good to be tarnished by this youngsters actions.
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I have Punctured by Ben Morris-Rains and this seems to be the same method.
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I have both. It IS the same method and ive let this he knowen to the guy and they still put it out
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Yeah, this looks exactly like Punctured.
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You can see the fold from the demo. LOL
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You can see the fold from the demo. LOL


This does not require a special fold.
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You can see the fold from the demo. LOL

It's fooled you then my friend! That's what you get for trying to be clever.
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This is just awful, especially considering Ben Morris-Rains already released it (and I genuinely do like his method).

And hey, not ALL magic released by us young ones is crap!
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On 2009-04-12 17:38, Thomas Kwon wrote:
You can see the fold from the demo. LOL

It's fooled you then my friend! That's what you get for trying to be clever.


When you convince yourself that something is done a certian way, you start seeing stuff....
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Hey Guys-

Looks like my method, and at that, done in a way that makes it more obvious (The way I HAD done the trick when I first started messing around with the idea years ago).

Of course the method itself predates me by a long while, its just used in a new way.

Alan: I am thankful of you to tell him it was the same method, but not really surprised they would release it anyways, because nothing surprises me anymore haha (in life or in magic!).

It is a shame though that while knowing the facts they still are going to go ahead and release it.
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If anyone has any issues with the effect or think it might be the same as another please email me here nathankranzo@gmail.com

Did any of you ask Hiro Sakai for his permission?

This is not released yet either. And when it is you will be able to learn more about the history.

If you do your research you'll realize it is much older than all of you. : ) Let me know if anyone is interested in the real history and I'll share it with you. Or if you like you can just continue to point fingers without the facts.

Carry on.

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On 2009-04-12 16:32, Alan Rorrison wrote:
I have both. It IS the same method and ive let this he knowen to the guy and they still put it out


He is so da*n sure that the two methods are the same.

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If anyone has any issues with the effect or think it might be the same as another please email me here nathankranzo@gmail.com

Did any of you ask Hiro Sakai for his permission?

This is not released yet either. And when it is you will be able to learn more about the history.

If you do your research you'll realize it is much older than all of you. : ) Let me know if anyone is interested in the real history and I'll share it with you. Or if you like you can just continue to point fingers without the facts.

Carry on.

Later,

Kranzo


Very well said.

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I have gone thru this kind of $**t from people who call them selves magic guru's & they think they know everything. They will try all means to sabotage a creation especially when the magician is less known. Luckily the young creator has not (yet) been humiliated (probably because Kranzo stands behind the effect) the way I was humiliated in an open forum.
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Ustaad,

Thanks for your post. I feel your pain brother.

Ben dropped me a nice email with his method and handlings etc. We will look it over and go from there. See how this can be handled in a positive way?

Ok you can go back to the negative stuff now.

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Hey everyone-

After a couple e-mails with Nate, he has decided not to release this effect as it is ultimately the same thing, just independent creation. I told him if it furthered the effect and was an advancement from my handling, he should release it. As it is not, well I'm just repeating what I said earlier.

Nate's a really cool guy and it was all handled nicely and privately like it should have been. I regret making that first post before e-mailing him, and will not do that again if this kind of situation ever comes up again.

My website is currently DOWN but if you are interested in the effect you can buy it from here: http://www.e-junkie.com/shop/product/45153.php

Once again, Thanks to Nate for keepin it chill.

All the best,
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I knew Nate would make good on it. Just to clear a few things, ustaad I was so sure as I have both I'm in a position to make the judgment. I mean no I'll ends towards the young man also as he presnts himself well and has been nothing but proffesional. The point I was disapointed in was that it appeared that he had just shunned my advice; this is not the case however and I'll apologize for that. I also have nothing but respect for Nate as I've told him in person and happy he's took this the right way.

P.a Nate you know I'm a pen through junkie and I'd love more info on the history of the method just
For my geek files LOL

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Alan thank you for the clarification.

In our small magic world things are going from bad to worse. Creators are just not happy to see competition coming their way. They, along with their associates (boy's club), can go to any length to sabotage another persons creation/ creativity so as to get rid of competition. Eventually this brings in bad taste in our small community.

'Nuff said. Smile

Back on topic please.

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