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daghank Loyal user 290 Posts |
How many people you think are necessary to perform this? At least 3? I am wondering if this plays better with bigger audiences,also I have a bad experience so far with steno ESP,I feel like I have to build a routine first and perform it near the end of my show,after people believe that I can really do any mind stunts because when I started with steno esp,i had reactions like, 'you wrote it somehow,i don't know how you did it but I really felt so' but it played much better when performed after other 'convincers'.
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Domino Magic Special user 999 Posts |
I perform this for audiences of different sizes including part of my stage show. I use a larger sketch pad for it on stage. I've never tried it one-on-one or even just two people, which I'm assuming you must have based on your post.
As far was where I use it, it's typically been my opener and I get fantastic reactions from it. I have also used it later on in the act, but I have not noticed better or worse reactions depending on the placement in my running order. |
Daylite New user Germany 98 Posts |
Hello daghank
INMO and I could be wrong, it seems like what your having is more of conviction problem than a were it is in your program problem. What I mean is, The people you are performing for don't belive you can read thier minds. As you stated effects of this nature should have some type of build up.This is not to say that you have to do several effects befor you do Steno ESP, it means that you have to have some form of believeabilety to build your presentation around. If your performing this for freinds and family members then it may be a littel hard to make them think that some how over night you've got the power. As you siad in your post ``i had reactions like, 'you wrote it somehow,i don't know how you did it but I really felt so``. This may be because they have seen you do other effect that were just as amazing but not Mentalism. By this I mean to say that you may have at some point shown these same people a wonderful Magic trick. And there in lyes the problem. People that have experianced our Magic will offten find it hard not to look for the tricks in our Mentalism. As Mentalist we must not appier to our audiance as though we are doing Magicians tricks. This is not a game of ``I can FOOL you '' For the Mentalist. We are trying to convience people that we can read Body Language, Subtel Eye Movements, Changes in Thier Voice Patterns ect...., or READ THIER MINDS. Steno ESP is a wonderful and simpel way to do just that. By simpel I do not mean the effect of reading some ones mind should look simpel, I mean the method. Just because an effect is easy to perform dose not mean that it will be easy to sell as the ''real'' thing. But with a littel hard work and a lot of practise it can become one of the most impressive things you do. Daylite
Mentalism only happens in our minds.
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dmoses Inner circle 2261 Posts |
Daghank.
It's a gift when your audience actually tell you what they really think; There's a couple of questions your post raises though... first... was this audience family or friends? if so, they're going to be your hardest audience... I've stopped performing for my family except for those who I want to try to give me a critique... I know if I can entertain them, I can entertain anyone. which leads to the second point... are you trying to entertain... or are you trying to fool? if you do the first the second won't matter. you want to be a competent performer of course, but if you're just trying to convince people you can read their minds you'll be in trouble... unless you can... which brings me to my final point... things changed for me when I started to change my presentations to include more 'out there' stuff... actually trying to read body language with "Which Hand" effects, pendulums, psychological forces... and Contact Mind Reading. I missed a lot when I began... but I shared the process with my audience and they ate it up! now when I do stuff that I say uses influence/suggestion/coincidence/connection/intuition whatever... they believe me. and I don't miss nearly as much any more. Let me also add I would NOT do this for a paying gig... but for family and friends... be vulnerable and it will pay off. my two cents
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daghank Loyal user 290 Posts |
These are all wonderful advices and thoughts,all my questions are already answered thank you.
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daghank Loyal user 290 Posts |
Mentalism is not known in my country at all,all we got is basic magic stuff and people treat them as they know the secret,no mystery at all so mentalism is a new thing to them,I feel like I have to perform those convincers first as an introduction.Let them know that this isn't magic.
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Daylite New user Germany 98 Posts |
OK
lets talk about internal scripting. To me its not realy as important for the audience to believe you are reading thier minds as it is for the performer to at some leavel have an idea what reading minds should look like. In my post above I did not mean to imply that a performer had to make the claim of being psychic inorder for his audiance to be entertained. My point was and is that, Mentalism Is based 10% on method and 90% on delivery. You do not have to belive you are psychic to close your eyes visualize the next card in the st**k. But bey closing you eyes,seeing the big movie screen or what ever,and calculating siad card then reavling it piece by peice you will have created more of the illusion of mind reading than if you had just blurted out the name of the card as soon as you knew it. Bey just reavealing the card as soon as you know it you have only succeded in taking a mystery and turning it into a puzzel. this puzzel will at some point be challanged. But the mystery of reading thier mind as in the latter presitation can leave other more desireable questions in the minds of the audiance. I apolgise if this sounds like a rant, but words like ( BELEIVE and REAL ) have been attaked to no end in this forum and I just wanted to explain my meaning of these works in the context of my origenal post. Daylite
Mentalism only happens in our minds.
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Four years later.................I am dying to find a place in my show for this. I may have to move some stuff around. I think this and Modern Mindreader are two of R.O.'s best inventions.
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jerdunn Inner circle 1735 Posts |
Richard Osterlind's book Mystique contains 3-part prediction routine done with only three index cards and a pen -- and it is in my opinion far superior to Steno.
It's totally clean and uses common materials (index cards or business cards). It's based on an early Peter Warlock method, to which Richard Osterlind added some great presentational advances. Cheers, Jerry |
Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Thanks Jerry, after several performances, I think Steno does lack something near the end and it certainly takes some good misdirection to pull off. I am hearing more and more about A.E. and I need to check it out!
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JSBLOOM Inner circle 2024 Posts |
Why not try this?
Show the pad to be totally blank. All you need to do is apply the Svengali principle. |
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