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MagicJono
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Hi.

I have successfully learned the Tamariz Deck and am looking for someone to suggest the best Tricks from the book. There are so many and I don't really want to waste time reading ones that are not really useful to me.

I learned the stack in under 1HR using the mental movie method. I am surprised it is so quick. I imagined driving to work and putting big symbols on roundabouts and turning corners. I just simply think of driving to work and it call comes back to me.

Thanks for your help in advance.
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It's not sexy, but you might want to take Tamariz's early advice and just develop a straight divination of a single card. He jokingly(?) laments the fact that most people will not take his advice and put the book down and do this before reading on to the next trick. If one card is too pedestrian, you could look into ideas for divining more than one selection, but recently me and some friends sat down and tried to figure out the best tricks in magic, and in all honesty, a single card revelation that fools the pants off you (test conditions and such) ranked high. To get any higher than that with cards, you'd need something outside the realms of mentalism, but even that alone was worth more than Triumph, Reset, ACR, etc.

Incidentally, this wasn't a part of your question, and I hope it doesn't come across as overly assumptive, but just having the stack down isn't enough for stack "handling". Developing a couple of good glimpses, a false shuffle and/or a deck switch (so they can shuffle) will help immensely. I'm of the opinion that having those skills with a single memdeck trick is far better than having more than one memdeck trick. If you've already got those skills, then safely ignore this last paragraph.
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Andrew, that's outstanding advice thanks very much indeed. The Divination is providing more amazing reactions than things like electric touch and tarantula.

For me it seems I have found the golden egg. Just that one divination can provide so many tricks. Absolutely brilliant. I am excited about where this is going to go from here

thanks again
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Juan Tamariz does a really great 'Any card at any number' (ACAAN) using 2 different spectators with his memorized deck's principle; I vote for this one, you can check:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocxXHmp2Zzk&feature=related
the secret is in 'Mnemonica' I don't know the name in english, it is 'Carta al numero' in spanish
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In the English edition it is simply called Any Card At Any Number and its on p 82 of Mnemonica:

Three methods are proposed (which are four like the three musketeers Smile):
one using the pass
One using different backs
One called Impossible conditions
and one using Juan's Perpendicular Control
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On 2009-04-20 13:05, Lawrence O wrote:
In the English edition it is simply called Any Card At Any Number and its on p 82 of Mnemonica:

Three methods are proposed (which are four like the three musketeers Smile):
one using the pass
One using different backs
One called Impossible conditions
and one using Juan's Perpendicular Control


Juan is wonderful to watch. He definitely keeps you alert. This is a very, very nice rendition of ACAAN, as well as very funny. I guess this version is the fifth musketeer. I would actually do it this way since my pass is not passable Smile. I like the use of the 2 decks. This way seems more "impossible" and I like it better than the versions in the book.
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Or how about 'Any Cards Called For' on page 211 of Mnemonica? Or more specifically the Mago Antón variation on page 214! As you deal cards to the table, several spectators in turn call stop at various places. The cards on which they stopped ALL match the cards written on open predictions on the table.

I haven't performed it yet, although I have written a performance script for it. I would still say that it is one of the 3 or so best effects I know. I plan to use it as a finale to a short series of effects similar in theme where my great mental abilities are first shown, then transferred to a spectator, then to two spectators and finally to all of them.

The divination would be the first part of that sequence. Although I have started to think that perhaps it is better to skip it altogether. I believe Simon Aronson has made the point that it is a waste of the Open Index principle. I am on the fence there. If you do it a few times in a row it certainly reeks of prearrangement.
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Hi Magicjojo,

Welcome to the Café. And, congratulations for learning the Tamariz memorized deck stack; properly and imaginatively used, you have a very valuable weapon in your magic arsenal.

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On 2009-04-12 11:25, MagicJono wrote:

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I have successfully learned the Tamariz Deck and am looking for someone to suggest the best Tricks from the book. There are so many and I don't really want to waste time reading ones that are not really useful to me.

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Regarding your above request, with all due respect, this request hit me hard on many levels and I hope my comments don't come off as "preaching" or "hoilier than thou". My comments are not meant to be such. Ultimately, they are intended to be helpful to you in your magic development

First off, "best" is a relative term; what might be "best" for me might be totally inappropriate for you. And, with most magic effects, "best" is what you make of that particular effect. You put yourself" into the effect and make it your own. I cannot begin to accurately count the number of times I have seen someone take an ordinary hum-drum effect or magic trick and make it a memorable effect. By slightly changing a few moves, or adding an original presentation, they are able to fool many who know the underlying effect (Frequently, those fooled do not even realize that they just watched something that they "already knew" and discarded as being dull, boring or pedestrian.)

Additionally, unless someone here on the Café knows you personally, how could any of the Café members even have a clue as to which effects may or may not be useful to you or "best" for you? What are your magic preferences? Your magic likes and dislikes? Your skill level?

Secondly, What does the term "useful" mean?

Thirdly, and presuming that you probably did not mean your remarks to come out the way they did, the concept of "not wanting to waste time" is somewhat offensive at best and also suggests that you do not wish to put in the time and effort to learn what is best (for you) and also that you wish the Café members to do all the heavy lifting and do your work for you, separate the wheat from the chaff and just "give it up" because you asked.

Finally, as in any learning endeavor, I respectfully submit that there is no such thing as a "waste of time". Even perceived failures can be extremely valuable because they teach us what works and doesn't work, what works for "me" and what doesn't and why.

IMHO, it is only by making mistakes that we learn, develop and grow. The mistakes inexporably guide towards (and down) the paths to what does work...and why. And, those lessons are learned and remembered because we now understand the basis for the failure and the basis for what succeeds. Some of my greatest insights and "discoveries" were simultaneously realized at the moment that a failure occurred.

All the foregoing is just IMHO; yor mileage may vary.

I hope that my comments helped in some small regard. And, again, welcome to the Café. We are pleased that you became a member and we hope that you have a long and fruitful experience both here and in your magic development.

Best,

Mike
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But I commend you to read through the Mnemonica book. Then decide.
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Thanks very much for all your comments I have looked through the respective suggestions and they are just what I was looking for.

Mike I would also like to thank you for your time and effort in addressing me and I can assure you it is much appreciated. There is just so much to learn and so little time that I think it is important for me personally to have some direction. Racing to the end of the rainbow before listening to people who say the gold is not there I would consider a waste of time. For me I have already learned that lesson and do not need it again, it wastes time and time is precious.

Thanks again.
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A must to understand Tamariz' thinking are all tricks of chapter six. Importand are such tricks like Devination, ACAAN and Total Memory.
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My favorite mentalism effect with the Tamariz stack is Harkey and Anderson's "OutSmart" from their book "AH-HA!".

You ask someone what their favorite card is, and facetiously reply that it is yours, as well. To prove it, you spell "My favorite card", dealing 1 card for each letter, and the card on which you land is the card they named.

The trick is a lot of work (especially if you want to eliminate the gimmick described in the book), but the trick is so simple and straightforward that it appears clean, impossible and jawdropping.
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On 2009-05-07 11:01, Scott Cram wrote:
My favorite mentalism effect with the Tamariz stack is Harkey and Anderson's "OutSmart" from their book "AH-HA!".

You ask someone what their favorite card is, and facetiously reply that it is yours, as well. To prove it, you spell "My favorite card", dealing 1 card for each letter, and the card on which you land is the card they named.

The trick is a lot of work (especially if you want to eliminate the gimmick described in the book), but the trick is so simple and straightforward that it appears clean, impossible and jawdropping.


Scott,

Regarding the non-gimmicked effect you described, is it "Tamariz Stack Dependnet" or can it be performed with the Aronson Stack on any other stack that is thoroughly known by the performer?

Thanks for the info.

Mike
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Any stack will work.
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Any MEMORIZED stack will work.
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Looking forward to all of this; mnemonica is on its way!!!!
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I use mnamonica and the effects I use more often are ACAAN (I recoment 'Meant to Be - John Born' for the thoughts on ACAAN) and mind reading (like Card Calling) and my favourite is Mnemonicosis.

Most of the tricks of the book are GOOD and should be tested, I've been playing with 'Any Hand of Poker..' for more than one year but couldn't present it as it should, one must study hand by hand one at a time for weeks and weeks (probably more) to be secure to present it. I respect anyone that does that! Anyone that have this book should study and re-read it at least once a year!
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On 2009-05-07 11:01, Scott Cram wrote:
My favorite mentalism effect with the Tamariz stack is Harkey and Anderson's "OutSmart" from their book "AH-HA!".

You ask someone what their favorite card is, and facetiously reply that it is yours, as well. To prove it, you spell "My favorite card", dealing 1 card for each letter, and the card on which you land is the card they named.

The trick is a lot of work (especially if you want to eliminate the gimmick described in the book), but the trick is so simple and straightforward that it appears clean, impossible and jawdropping.

I guess I may be letting the proverbial cat outta the bag (folks: memories of taking the cats to the vet in the days before pet carriers forces me to remind you not to do this stunt unsupervised) but I believe our esteemed Aronson Stack master Dennis Loomis has an issue of Smoke and Mirrors devoted to the Outsmart spelling of the AS, #10-Preconceived Jazzin with the Aronson Stack.
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Kudos to H2Odesign for remembering this article. It's available (free of charge) on my Web Site. From the Front page, click on the Link at the top for Memorized Deck Magic and then scroll down to article 10 (Memorized Jazzin with the Aronson Stack.) The routine is really the work of many people, I just combined them into one coherent jazzin exercise. In addition to the Harkey and Anderson ideas from "AH-HA" there are ideas from Scott Cram, Bill Nagler, Darwin Ortiz, Patrick Page and references to ideas from Mike Close and even David Williamson.

Even if you don't want to tackle the complete routine, those of you that Jazz with a memdeck will probably learn some new "outs."

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Hello every one, I have this wonderful book from Tamariz and I saw this advert on penguinmagic (look at the video demo) http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=913.

I really can't find where in the book there is an effect like the last one in the video. Is it me or is it just a useless advertising lie ? (useless because it is Tamariz' mnemonica book we're talking about...) thanks for your help.
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