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Merenkov Elite user 413 Posts |
I can palm up to three coins, release them one by one, no problem. But I have serious problems when I try four coins. (I'm trying to learn a couple of David Stone routines that require palming four coins with the ability to release them one by one.) Will the palm muscle, with practice, eventually get big enough to hold that fourth coin, or is hand size the ultimate limitation here? Any suggestions on how to casually practice palming four coins (stick four coins together in a stack, perhaps?)
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MarkTirone Inner circle palming not 1 coin, but 1139 Posts |
What kind of coin are you using> Quarter, half, or dollar sized? Try switching to a smaller sized coin for now just so you get used to the feeling of releasing them one at a time and palming them so you have the ability to do it, then practice a bit more with the bigger coins. It took me a while when meoving from halves to dollars but I got it.
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jimmyj Veteran user 343 Posts |
Hello Merenkov,
You're off to a good start. I did the same thing as you, for the same reasons as you-The David Stone routines. Don't worry-After enough practise, you'll be able to palm and drop, one at a time, four coins. It sometimes gets problematic, especially in the heat of the moment, but with practise, it will work itself out. Good Luck and keep practising. Jim. |
Merenkov Elite user 413 Posts |
Thanks for the tips. I am using half dollars, by the way.
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narcoleptic_insomniac Regular user Kenosha, WI 140 Posts |
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On 2009-04-13 14:26, Merenkov wrote: In reality, there is some physical limit, but I'm sure with practice you'll definitely get to four (and beyond) ^_^ As for sticking/gluing four coins in a stack, I would advise against this (although I've never tried it), because you may be able to palm the stack by just palming the first few coins (i.e. you make contact with only the first few, but the item is palmed because it is stuck together). Also, I've found it easier to palm more coins when the stack is slightly jogged (toward the center of my palm). Good Luck, Kyle Czarnecki |
evikshin Special user 893 Posts |
I had this problem too...I could easily palm and release 3, but 4 was impossible. However, when I staggered the coins a bit (as mentioned above) so that they overlap, it seemed to solve the problem.
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
The staggered method works well and after I had done it for awhile I noticed that they became less and less staggered! I do have glued stacks of 2,3 and 4 half dollars that I believe DID help in strengthening my grip!
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
If nothing else, the stacks would at least get you used to the weight. Of course, they could also be counterproductive if relied on TOO heavily, and wouldn't give you any practice in releasing one at a time.
A few years back when I was performing a LOT more, I could do four easily, and used Fleshman's 4-coin rollover as a production. For me, it was more of a mental thing, and, as usual, learning not to use a death-grip, but a light touch. Squeezing too hard can cause the coins to pop out of grip. It may just be me, but I actually had to use a LIGHTER grip with 4 coins than with 3. Play around with that and see if it helps you--it may or may not, depending on your physical make-up.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
Some magicians solve the 4 coins problem in classic palming three coins and finger or thumb palming the fourth one. I have a different but related problem.
If it is (now) easy for me to keep four coins palmed and released one by one, I have a problem properly palming them with only one hand. I need to get the other hand involved and it is not as if I didn't try. This two hands involvement is for me a regrettable Tell Tale which forces me to reduce the number of potential uses for this sleight to opening effects. Does anyone has a ood advice on this matter?
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
I suppose you could bring both hands behind your back and do it then, or under the table if seated--though neither of those is an ideal solution.
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MortenN Veteran user Norway 338 Posts |
I agree with Scott F. Guinn, but I also think it is VERY important to have a good sense of touch to the coins. Have the coins in your hands so often it is possible.
My trick to make a sense of touch to the coins is also to use a sh**l and one coin. Put the sh**l and the coin in your CP and learn you to "drop" only the coin from the CP/sh**l, and keep the sh**l in your CP. (Today I have no problem to CP four coins and one sh**l in CP and release the coins one by one, and the sh**l when I need it) "Classic Palming With Coins" of Reed McClintock's is also a very good DVD for teaching CP. -Morten- |
MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
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On 2009-04-16 20:47, Scott F. Guinn wrote: VERY true! Stacks should be used as training aides NOT training crutches! MMc |
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