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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
WOW. Ok that is completly different from anything I would advocate in the name of fun.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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M Sini Inner circle 1359 Posts |
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On 2009-04-16 15:03, MiketheMagicDude wrote: Mike is right. I recieved that email as well. He did put in articles and did the other stuff Mike described. Because it was just a short clip, I suppose he could have said it was meant as a fun, joking type thing but it didn't come across that way to me in the video I saw. |
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MiketheMagicDude Loyal user CT 270 Posts |
He takes it a step further by addressing it to someone from an ambiguously anonymous sender such as "Thought you would enjoy this. From, J"
Fake an article to fake name recognition and testimonial evidence. Almost creepy if you ask me. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I repeat. WOW.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Mike,
I also agree... (…as I said before. – Duh!) that if “that” was what was intended, it is wrong and unethical. Why point finger at ME? I think we ALL have already agreed that trying to lie about your credits is wrong... DUH! (Ha!) Again, already said so a long time ago. THAT, (trying to pass it off as REAL) again is NOT what "I" was talking about. Never said anything else... yikes! Party on... Dean <><
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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Neale Bacon Inner circle Burnaby BC Canada 1775 Posts |
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On 2009-04-16 13:37, prestyman wrote: Hey Clinton, That is not called faking. It is simply editing for all the good reasons you mentioned.
Neale Bacon and his Crazy Critters
Burnaby BC Canada's Favourite Family Ventriloquist www.baconandfriends.com |
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magicman812 Regular user 121 Posts |
The video Mike is referring to is on youtube (Direct Mail Secrets). I was scratching my head when I watched it.
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MiketheMagicDude Loyal user CT 270 Posts |
No one pointed a finger at you Mr. Hankey. However you do reflect the company you keep. Maybe you feel vicariously guilty and that is why you are in defense mode.
"The moon is so bright," said the sun! Eric Paul about how to mislead your clients: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWs5XmqKMWQ |
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Hart Keene Inner circle Eugene, OR 1486 Posts |
Can someone provide the link?
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MiketheMagicDude Loyal user CT 270 Posts |
Right above you.
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
No one? - Hehehehe...
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Dean, I have NOTHING to feel guilty about... re-read my posts. - - I guess it's pretty easy to see the world from the ivory tower you place yourself in my freind... Hehehehe! Careful, that finger could poke your eye out sometime. (Ha!) I am at your service and in HIS Service, Deano in Reno <><
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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Clinton W. Gray New user 100 Posts |
Dean:
You're just a bully. Plain and simple. Go away. Clinton
Clinton W. Gray
Magician in Vancouver BC |
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RJE Inner circle 1848 Posts |
Yup.
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Wow... "I'm" a bully? - Hehehehe... I never called anyone names, got upset at anyone and ONLY shared my perspective and experience, never pointed fingers, called anyone wrong or schoolyard names and somehow "I'm" the bad guy here?
WoW! Just because someone has a different experience and insight than you do makes them wrong and a bully? Okey Dokey then...
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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Clinton W. Gray New user 100 Posts |
I've been doing an anti-bullying show for many years, and the tone of your postings are very indicative of the bully mentality that school teachers and administrators witness everyday.
I don't know you as a person, so I can only judge you by your comments here on the Café. Clinton
Clinton W. Gray
Magician in Vancouver BC |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Dean, you're still my Lil buddy, no matter what they say. LOL LOL LOL
Seriously, You've done absolutely nothing wrong here. Let me remind everyone what you've said many times: "Anytime you don't "feel" good about doing one of the many, many, many, marketing ideas put out there, just don't do it." Tom
The Daycare Magician Book
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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RJE Inner circle 1848 Posts |
"Heck, even if I did, I would never do it on an open forum. Just ask anyone with whom I have had ‘off-forum’ communications. – "
"Oh well, N-E-X-T!" Deano "I guess it's pretty easy to see the world from the ivory tower you place yourself in my freind... Hehehehe! Careful, that finger could poke your eye out sometime. (Ha!)" I am at your service and in HIS Service, Deano in Reno You attempt to hide it by claiming you are ONLY discussing the topic and with your "in His service," but people who don't agree with you are often ridiculed, baited or taunted as the quotes above would indicate. I think that you are a cyber bully as well. |
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Ok, instead of getting tweaked here, let’s all see if there is something of value we can all learn here….
Now remember, THIS is just my opinion and experience here. I am NOT making anyone wrong, calling out names nor am I trying to cause and friction… just sharing; “Magician’s Helping Magician’s” - - Fair? I don’t care if we simply ‘agree to disagree’ here, as a matter of fact I think it’s the healthy backbone of a rational, adult conversation such as this. I just see no profit in name-calling, pointing fingers, getting upset, defensive or tweaked-out just because one or the other has a differing point of view. I am NOT calling anyone out, pointing fingers, have anyone in some mythical crosshairs and so on. I may be sharing a perspective that not everyone agrees with… doesn't make me or anyone WRONG or a “bully”, just someone with a different perspective, ok, fair? Nuff said. (I hope!) For the sake of clarity, I will say again (as I said before right here in this thread) Quote:
DEAN: - What Jack, Donald, Robert and I are all talking about are killer (well proven) tools for generating interest, leads and as a fun marketing tool, or gifts NOT intended (as originally asked about) to make anyone think that the promo is REAL Article... THAT is lying! (and again NOT ever “probably” what the original marketer intended anyway… THIS is NOT a new idea by a long-shot.) I WILL say that this is the first time I had seen these videos as well… => HERE is the kind of FUN/FUNNY, over the top, fun/funny letter I was talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKitwk2sC_I I have been using this (along with other proven success strategies for 20+ years… it IS powerful and it works to get attention and real results… AND IT’s Entertaining, Creative and FUN! – THAT is art of what we are supposed to be, even in our marketing, right? Though we can't see it; it is FUNNY and is OBVIOUSLY FAKE! - NO ONE would say this is real PR or that he is trying to take real PRESS CREDIT here in any way! => Here's the other video: (What You Guys were talking about… I had NOT sent this until yesterday either.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWs5XmqKMWQ Once again, as I said and as I’m guessing WE ALL AGREE (always have which is WHY I don’t understand the tension here) the line between creative marketing AND flat-out lying or trying to take some kind of credit for getting media/press credit. FIRST: No one can fully KNOW what was intended in his mind and Though maybe I wouldn’t use this, but he (Eric) is NOT trying to take any "press credit" for that second article as I see it and from what I DO KNOW about this (as I see it anyway… agree, disagree, but no need to get nasty or call names) it is JUST a lead or “interest generation marketing piece” in a sequence marketing campaign. – COME-ON, we are in the Creative Arts here, aren’t we? (again, NOT talking about lying or trying take any un-earned credit or to fake name recognition and testimonial evidence of any kind.) It is just a anonymous lead/interest barring marketing piece. Again, I am not sure "I" would personally do that is neither here nor there, BUT I do NOT see anyone trying to take any kind of "un-earned publicity credit” for getting press here, (as was offered in the original question!) he is simply marketing his services in a “creative arts” way! This is what all the stink is about??? Besides being incomplete and out of context. AGAIN, it’s perfectly FINE to enjoy a different perspective and disagree, just no need for any kind of character assassinations, name calling and bad behavior here. See the difference??? “For those that understand, no explanation is necessary, for those that DO NOT Understand, No explanation will suffice!” I agree that some don’t LIKE me around here. Fine and dandy, but please don’t allow that personal bias to get in the way of a perfectly good DISCUSSION about you and your success. Okey Dokey? I am at your service and in HIS Service, Deano (not trying to me RIGHT, just trying to help and share honestly and openly) in Reno PS Have an awesome weekend and the best of luck and success to you all from “The Bad Guy”. (Hehehehehe…) PPS Can we P-L-E-A-S-E get back ON TOPIC.
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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Clinton W. Gray New user 100 Posts |
Yes. Back on topic. Although maybe we should start a new thread on Magic Café bullying.
Could be interesting. Clinton
Clinton W. Gray
Magician in Vancouver BC |
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TheDean Inner circle Reno, Nevada 2164 Posts |
Nice.
...and "I'M" the bully?
Dean Hankey, *M.D. - The Dean of Success Solutions!
Serving & Supporting YOU and Your Success! "Book More Shows... Make More Money... SERVE MORE PEOPLE! - Not Necessarily In That Order…" (*Marketing Doctor) |
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