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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
Let me start off by saying, I have known Max for some time now and find his ideas very well thought out.
So I want to give you guys a heads up on something I think is truly spectacular. I had a conversation with Max one evening and told him how I was looking at adding the 6 card repeat back into my act. Yet I was not happy with most on the market and the old routines never did much for me, count toss count toss you know cute but not really a magic effect. Max then said he would share with me one he had been conjuring up. This evening I had the opportunity to watch Max perform his effect, "A Poker Story" over web cam. This is a five card repeat that makes sense. The story lines are easy to remember and best part is Max gives you a reason to show the fronts and backs of the cards and count them. Besides being dead easy to do, the other thing I like about Max's routine is the kicker surprise ending. Truly the kicker ending is so outstanding no one will see it coming. After watching Max perform A Poker Story, I ordered a set myself. I just thought I would share this with you and let you all know about this new effect that is about to hit the market. Very cool! Check it out for yourself. http://www.innovativedeceptions.com/id_aps.htm Expect a full review when I get my set in the mail. -Floyd
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
There is a video up on Max site now, go check it out guys.
No one said it would be easy, or did they?
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
Aceofharts,
I'm going to second this. I saw this routine and immediately liked the idea. I did a five card version of the six card repeat for a couple of years in my shows. The problem with "repeat" type card routines is that they are, well, repetitive! The premise never made sense. (not even in my own routine). The effect seemed to appeal to magicians but few others I liked Eugene Burger's version of Robert Neal's 13 at Dinner, but it was a little dark for most audiences and it was SO Eugene Burger that I felt it didn't fit me. Aldo Columbini's handling of "Senator" Clarke Crandall's routine was also a funny routine in the hands Aldo Columbini, but it just didn't work for me in the context of "accidentally" dropping cards (very funny when Aldo does it!). With "A POKER STORY" Max has hit upon an easy to do, well made, commercial, motivated and logical "card repeat" with a kicker ending that can find it's way in the the working program of many stand-up performers. It's worth a look! http://www.innovativedeceptions.com/id_aps.htm
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
I've finally got a chance to watch the demo. I absolutely love this version of the 6 card repeat (or should I say, the 5 card repeat?). Very fitting story and everything has rhyme and reason. The ending was a nice surprise as well. Thumbs way up for this one
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John Deems New user 16 Posts |
Floyd,Carlo and kissdadookie ...(love that name!)
I certainly couldn't add a thing ... you guys covered all the bases as far as a review goes. It excites ya don't it? Now a routine that is made to order with a kick-a-dookie ending even!!! http://www.innovativedeceptions.com Get on the bandwagon early guys and save on the purchase even! This is a nice routine to follow Larry Jennings' The Maestro's Poker Demonstration from his book The Classic Magic Of Larry Jennings Docjon |
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eSamuels Inner circle 3085 Posts |
Noticed that the 20% discount didn't seem to apply to the combo order ($80 checked out at $75). Glitch, or am I missing something?
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Max Krause V.I.P. I should be creating magic with my 1188 Posts |
Hey Eric,
Sorry about that. There was a problem with the code. It has been fixed. Thanks for all the wonderful feedback guys! I think this will be a fun one for you! Best, Max
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eSamuels Inner circle 3085 Posts |
Well, I've taken the plunge and ordered....always been a fan of Richard Osterlind's ending to the 'Repeat,' but this looks like it could be fun.
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Platt Inner circle New York 2011 Posts |
Max showed me this the other day. Killer visual magic, with a great easy to follow story. And as mentioned, yes, it actually makes sense. Yes, Max and I are friends, but just watch the video- this is undeniably great magic! I'll be pulling this one out at my next poker gathering.
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mormonyoyoman Inner circle I dug 5,000 postholes, but I have only 2440 Posts |
I would think that if Max was going to use Richard Osterlind's "Out of Hand" (Mind Mysteries Vol 6 or 1990's Challenge Magic) he should at least credit Richard and perhaps change Osterlind's patter a bit more. Max did change the kicker ending very slightly, but I think it's weaker than showing multiple types of cards.
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Max Krause V.I.P. I should be creating magic with my 1188 Posts |
Hi GC,
I just read your post and I wanted to let you know first and foremost I am crediting Richard on the DVD for his version (Out of Hand) I am also crediting Tucker, Crandall, Baker and citing a few others. However, I was not influenced by Richard's effect but rather created this on my own and when I was doing research after my version was completed I was made aware of his handling. I immediately contacted Jim Sisti and shared my routine with him. He told me that other than the royal flush ending my routine and handling was quite different and warranted its own publication. As far as the patter goes, I don't think the two are in any way similar other than the royal flush ending. My kicker ending allows for all five cards to be displayed and seen to be completely different than their predecessors. In Richard's routine only four cards have changed. I in no way claim originality for the method, but I do think that what I am offerring is a completely logical and unique presentation for the "repeat" plot. Kind regards, Max
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mormonyoyoman Inner circle I dug 5,000 postholes, but I have only 2440 Posts |
Richard weighs in with his opinion at http://www.osterlindmysteries.com/blog/?p=98
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Max Krause V.I.P. I should be creating magic with my 1188 Posts |
Chet and all,
I saw the blog and I immediately contacted Richard and we have come to a very amicable resolution. He is a very kind and understanding person to say the least. In regards to Jim and I, Jim had sent me a video of Richard's performance and based on what I had seen I felt my routine was different enough to be released. Jim did not endorse this he only sent me the video so that I could continue my research. Richard invented the first logical 6 card repeat premise with a plot 25 years ago. Out of Hand is a brilliant effect and was incredibly well received. It can be found on his Mind Mysteries DVD volume 6 as Chet mentioned earlier. His major embellishment was the color change at the end. Even though I came up with my version completely independently he was the originator. This will all be very clearly explained on my DVD which I will be releasing with Richard's blessing. Kind regards, Max
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
Funny, I'm a big fan of Richard Osterlind and have Challenge Magic and Mind Mysteries. I didn't recall "Out of Hand".
Chet simply assumed, wrongly, that Max had appropriated "Out of Hand" from Richard Osterlind. I think here on the Café, this is an all to common practise: Accuse first; apologies and questions later. It seems if someone has done something before, some folks believe that the concept cannot be independently discovered by another. I know from personal experience that this is simply nonsense; I have related a story in other posts regarding the similarity of my coins across handling I developed and Paul Green's "Above, Beside, or Below". When I came up with this, I had a need, I had never seen or frankly even heard of Paul Green, and I'm certain he had never heard of me! Richard Osterlind took 6 card repeat, a card effect he certainly didn't invent and re-invented it as "Out of Hand" as a logical premise for the effect using 5 cards and a poker theme. I also checked his explanation and the credits to see if anyone who had a hand in the method use was credited, they were not. See my point? I'm not saying this to knock Richard but to point out the "...and I'd like to acknowledge the inventor or paper." expectation of crediting. Max, a very creative thinker, came up with a solution for a friend and it turned out to be "A Poker Story". After reviewing both presentations and handling I'm not going out on a limb here: they are different. There are similarities but they are certainly not the same AND they were developed independently. While Richard's version pre-dates Max's by 25 years I still believe this is a case of similar solutions to a similar problem; Not such a stretch. I suggest to Chet or anyone else that wants to accuse someone of theft, and that IS what was implied, they check with the person they assume is the offender before posting a public accusation especially if they are Café members.
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Sven Rygh Inner circle Oslo, Norway. 1945 Posts |
It is no doubt about that this, except for the patter and kicker (which are far less entertaining than the original if I may add), is Richard Osterlind's effect.
Chet is, as it is mentioned above, not "accusing", he is simply stating a fact. Sven
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
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On 2009-04-28 02:12, Sven Rygh wrote: Sven you apparently failed to read my entire post or are being intentionally obtuse. First off, Richard did not invent this method for card repeat type effects. Okay, let's examine this further, Sven because I know for a fact that you are absolutely wrong and let me say that I would be the first to chastise Max if I thought for a moment that he had stolen or was attempting to steal Richard's work. Do you "know" the method Max uses? No. Well I do; and I also know the method Richard used. Max's routine the hands change from nothing to a Pair, to Two Pair, to a full house, to a Royal Flush with a color change. The routine progresses through poker hands. Max's discards are 4-3-1-4 In Richard's routine the cards remain 5 aces until the end when he ends up with a royal flush. Richard's discards are 1-2-3-4 The handling and method are different because in order for the final backs to be what they are in "A Poker Story" it MUST be different. Try doing Max's effect with the information you have on Richard's DVD and you will see that you are WRONG! I know what a huge fan of Richard Osterlind you are, as am I, but dude, you are allowing hero worship to cloud you view of the facts and you are so far off base you're playing another game. (American baseball term) Of course if you don't find the patter, presentation, or kicker to your liking that's fine you're entitled to hold and express that opinion, BUT to to accuse someone of stealing someones effect as "fact" when I can assure you that Max wasn't even aware of "Out of Hand" is just plain ignorant, rude and unjustified. It would be like saying that Richard stole Tommy Tucker's effect and never offered credit on his DVD! Nonsense! In fact once Max found out about "Out of Hand" he contacted Jim Sisti and Richard and did all the right things.
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Floyd Collins Inner circle Ohio 1633 Posts |
I can go on record and testify that Max did come up with his independently to create something that I was looking for. Even if I would have known about Richards effect I would not have done it, because when it comes to card, I would rather hire someone like Max to create them then make it myself from a DVD.
Glade to see this have been worked out. -Floyd
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Platt Inner circle New York 2011 Posts |
I'll defend Max as well. I've known Max a long time. He's an extremely creative mind and he would never ever rip anyone off. I truly believe he is offering something fresh for the magic community. But I will also defend Richard (not that he needs my defending). I witnessed some of what transpired and Richard has been very kind, very fair and sorry for the platitude, but a true gentleman. All Richard wanted was his fair share of credit in the history of the 6 card-repeat plot. And of course, Max is providing that information with pleasure.
Congratulations to all involved for working this out amiably. I'd like to believe everybody, including the magic community, wins. It is, in fact, a great day for magic. Upward and onward, Platt
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John Deems New user 16 Posts |
Plat, Carlo, Floyd .... Right on guys! Thanks for saying what you said.
I know Max and have known him for some years now He has got some class ... and doesn't sit on his toosh bad mouthing anyone .... you go and put something together like he did and I assure you most wouldn't have done it like him. Look around ... Wake up smell the coffee!!! See all the BS guys are comming up with ... daily? See how many so called "magicians"are ripping everyone off ... You know who you are! If I offended anyone other than these clowns I'm sorry. Love each other guys ... understand and enjoy your profession ... . doc And throw any remarks back at me ... I'm too old to listen! |
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MagicbyCarlo Inner circle has squandered his time making 1062 Posts |
Hahaha, John, tell us how you really feel!
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