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impossible man
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It seems like there should be a thread already debating the merits of Oil and Water, but I couldn't find it in a search. If you know of one, could you post the link?

If not, I would like to read posts from the workers who like/dislike Oil and Water, and why.

Thanks,
Dean
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Rene Lavand seems to be one of the only to get a good effect out of this beyond the trick.
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I really enjoy this effect and the reaction of the audience.

I use my own "3 Phase"-routine with 3 black and 3 red cards and a (how I think) strong seperation at the end...
It's one of the effects that every spectator keep in his mind, cause its simple, clear and unbelievable (and you can perform it for children Smile )


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I'm hooked on Oil and Water routines
1.The audiences reaction.
2.The simple nature of them.
3.The visual aspect of seeing the cards go from mixed to unmixed make for a great effect.

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I am a fan of the effect also. Rene Lavand's routine is of course the penultimate. The routine suffers from what a lot of magic routines do which is repetition. There needs to be a theatrical build and presentation. Check out this thread for some further thoughts covered in the manuscript we just published.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=218&5
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Oil and Water is one of my favorite tricks. The handling I use most often is by Mike Skinner in his book. I changed the 2nd phase and wrote my own presentation, but he has a great idea to end the routine.
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Michael has a wonderful routine
check out his dvds tapestry of deception I berlive this is the one
Come check out my magic.

http://www.vinnymarini.com
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On 2009-05-05 09:25, vinsmagic wrote:
Michael has a wonderful routine
check out his dvds tapestry of deception I berlive this is the one


I don't think it's SKINNER who has this set out. I believe it's Michael VINCENT...am I wrong?

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So far, not much of a debate. I really dislike the Oil and Water theme. It seems contrived and uninteresting to me. However, I love the magic in many O & W routines. I present O & W as a medical test in which I am checking to see if the spectator has red-black color blindness. This presents a logical motivation for them to keep track of the colors. This goes over well and probably gets the best reactions of anything I do.

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Other than Rene Lavand, I'm not a fan of this trick... by itself.

However, Darwin Ortiz' "Vegas Shuffle" is a gambling demonstration that is, in fact, at its core an oil & water routine. This routine KILLS.
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Try Walt Maddison's "The Sting" from Apocalypse.

Yes, yes I know, I am forever touting Apocalypse; can't help it: so many treasures there just waiting...

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Some of you said Oil & Water gets best reaction, version of Oil & Water kills, but said not fond of Oil & Water at the same time. I am confused.

I don't like or dislike by subtleties, principles or methods. I like tricks which my audience likes.

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On 2009-05-06 02:27, Hideo Kato wrote:
Some of you said Oil & Water gets best reaction, version of Oil & Water kills, but said not fond of Oil & Water at the same time. I am confused.

I don't like or dislike by subtleties, principles or methods. I like tricks which my audience likes.

Hideo Kato


I can clarify my post... I don't typically like an oil & water routine that is presented as an oil and water routine - "the red and the black refuse to mix". It's just a plot, actually a presentation, that falls a little flat for me. (JMHO)

The Vegas Shuffle, which "kills", is presented as a gambling demonstration, instead of a typical oil & water effect. The performer demonstrates that a good card cheat can keep the red and black cards from mixing despite using more and more convincing shuffles in each phase. In the last phase, even the spectator helps mix the cards, yet when they're spread, the red & blacks are still separate.
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I like Sean Bogunia's "Sorted Affair". It's easy, very magical, and in the kicker ending, the the whole deck has separated.
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I really like Anthony Owens' routine....Looks like real magic.. Smile ...
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler." (Einstein)...
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Joshua Jay has the nicest routine who isn't repetitive.
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I think it's a decent premise, and there are good presentations. I do think that many performances take it too far, though, as with an amitious routine with too many phases.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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My favorite comes from Apocalypse it's -

Richard Vollmer's(Spelling?) VERY NICE OIL AND WATER.
I've been using it for more years than I care to think.
It always kills...

It's quick,builds,and has a killer ending.

It's a three phase routine.

I involve the spec by having them place the reds between
the blacks during the second and third phases.

The little presentational hook I use is,
during the first and second phases I say...
"Notice a shake the cards, I don't flick them..."
and give the packet a little shake as a magic gesture.
with no further explanation as to what I mean by flicking.

When I get to the third phase I say...
"The reason I don't flick them is..."
Then I give the packet in my hand a little corner flick;
and go into the ending.

I remember when I first learned it (Twenty or more years ago!)
My mother sealed it with whose words we all wish to hear...
"...but, you didn't DO ANYTHING!!"

Check it out GREAT routine!

There's another one in Apocalypse, can't remember the name
(I'm pretty sure it's in the same issue as Phil Goldstein's
ABACUS) it uses three blue backed aces and three red backed
kings - the thing I remember most is I fooled the S%#T out of
myself learning the first phase.

Have Fun
Dennis
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I'd like to show you something amazing with the Joker
When you place it between these alternating pairs of cards it...
Wait a sec...
Hmmm (spreads face down packet - joker still in the middle
turns over top packet and displays all read, tables
turns over remaining cards and displays all black, tables
Okay, let's get the cards into position, red, black, red, joker, black, red, black okay.
what a moment and ...
hmmm (spreads packet) turns over middle card, still a joker.
Oh, right, the joker needs to be face up.
turns over top packet and shows all read plus the joker, tables


*
I hope you get the idea here
*
another approach is to use the joker as the means of sorting the cards (far less magical IMHO) where you finish the trick by putting the packet onto the deck then inserting the joker into the middle and viola, all sorted. (thanks hofzinser)

Thoughts, pies or non-sequitors?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Jonathan, that idea with the jokers is very nice. I like this approach to O&W.

Is this in print somewhere?

Thanks for contributing this.
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