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kentfgunn
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This is how I do it. Can't remember if this has been posted here before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-EiHtd8UxY

The source is documented in the video.

Oh, and in keeping with the initial poster's question:

Yes I like the trick.
Why . . . because the effect is clear and that is all too rare a thing, in card tricks.

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Hi edh. glad you liked that partial sript. The approach comes from Jerry Deutsch's notion of perverse magic as he discusses it on the genii bbs with a new trick each month here. He's been a champion for character based thinking in routine design for as long as I can remember. -Jon
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On 2009-05-05 01:39, pepka wrote:
Oil and Water is one of my favorite tricks. The handling I use most often is by Mike Skinner in his book. I changed the 2nd phase and wrote my own presentation, but he has a great idea to end the routine.


I've posted this in depth elsewhere, but just a "credit police" note: The routine in the Skinner book is Aldo Colombini's, not Skinner's. Ray Grismer learned it in Europe and taught it to Skinner. The same routine appears in Aldo's book "Impact" which pre-dates the Skinner book. Ray told me personally that he learned it from a European magi who told him it was Aldo's. Ray lived in the same apartment bldg as Skinner, David Roth, Jeff Altman, and others. When he got home, he showed it to Skinner, who was impressed and begged Ray to teach it to him.
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I perform Ascanio's version.Simple and clear.
Jonathan Townsend
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Any thoughts on taking the trick into a gaffed packet trick?

once you can start using dupes and sticking cards together you do have some handling options - though at the expense of being able to use a borrowed deck, take the cards from a deck, and needing to watch out for folks asking to see the cards for good reasons.
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I have a few handlings for my Ultimate Oil and Water which are gaffed, but which enable all the cards to be examined before and after. It'll be offered as a free bonus - along with another bonus handling by David Regal - to all purchasers in the near future.

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The first time I was shown an Oil and Water effect, it wasn't really explained with any type of story. The guy just said here's a red card, here's a black card, now by looking at the backs, try to guess which row to put them in. I didn't really know what to expect and because of that, it made more of an impression me when he revealed I had "correctly" guessed all the cards!

Maybe this a different version of O&W than most of you are refering to, but I still feel that less is sometimes more. It's kind of like Christmas: it was magical when we were kids because we didn't know what to expect until the moment we unwraped the gift and found out what the present was; now, we basically get what we ask for or within 5 seconds of picking up and holding the present we've figured out what it is - it's no longer magical because we're looking for the ending. If you don't like the "oil not mixing with water" idea, try showing the effect with minimal patter. Make the spectator feel like he made the magic happen and you won't need to use a story to get a good reaction.
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On 2009-05-17 15:36, bodybyfood wrote:
The first time I was shown an Oil and Water effect, it wasn't really explained with any type of story. The guy just said here's a red card, here's a black card, now by looking at the backs, try to guess which row to put them in. I didn't really know what to expect and because of that, it made more of an impression me when he revealed I had "correctly" guessed all the cards!

Maybe this a different version of O&W than most of you are refering to, but I still feel that less is sometimes more. It's kind of like Christmas: it was magical when we were kids because we didn't know what to expect until the moment we unwraped the gift and found out what the present was; now, we basically get what we ask for or within 5 seconds of picking up and holding the present we've figured out what it is - it's no longer magical because we're looking for the ending. If you don't like the "oil not mixing with water" idea, try showing the effect with minimal patter. Make the spectator feel like he made the magic happen and you won't need to use a story to get a good reaction.


That sounds more like an Out of This World effect than an Oil and Water.
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bodybyfood
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Oops, sorry. It is at least a similar storyline/principle though, right (I know the actual effects are different)?
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In most people's shows, no.

However I can imagine using what you wrote as the patter for doing oil and water and having it work. The key to the handling would be to emphasize the fair dealdown, only talk about the shuffle and selections into two piles and pick up the action as "and when he picked up the cards I could see they really were all the reds and all the blacks".
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The premise is easy to understand by the audience and therefore the magic they see makes sense. I find that it is one of my audience's favorite effects based on feedback and years of experience. The one I do is in my book and called "Urokinase". Eight cards, no extras or gaffs, borrowed deck. Totally impromptu.

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On 2009-05-10 21:46, Scott F. Guinn wrote:
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On 2009-05-05 01:39, pepka wrote:
Oil and Water is one of my favorite tricks. The handling I use most often is by Mike Skinner in his book. I changed the 2nd phase and wrote my own presentation, but he has a great idea to end the routine.


I've posted this in depth elsewhere, but just a "credit police" note: The routine in the Skinner book is Aldo Colombini's, not Skinner's. Ray Grismer learned it in Europe and taught it to Skinner. The same routine appears in Aldo's book "Impact" which pre-dates the Skinner book. Ray told me personally that he learned it from a European magi who told him it was Aldo's. Ray lived in the same apartment bldg as Skinner, David Roth, Jeff Altman, and others. When he got home, he showed it to Skinner, who was impressed and begged Ray to teach it to him.

I never knew that. Thanks Scott!
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A very good one is from Shigeo Futagawa (from Subtle card magic by Nick Trost).
With the 4 aces. Easy to do, to remember, and very well constructed.
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The effect "Matched Pair" by Tom Ransom is a nice eight card effect.
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Juan Tamariz's has made me a believer in the routine. I have never liked oil and water, but his is perfect.
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A very deceptive Oil & Water theme with a killer ending is: "Oil & Queens," by Roy Walton (Complete Walton, Vol. 1). Fast and to the point: 8 cards shown as mixed red/black. 4 dealt cleanly to table; 4 held.

4 held cards revealed to be all black. Although spectators are expecting all reds, tabled cards are turned over revealing instead the 4 Queens. No gaffs. Handling is very clean and effect easy to do.

(I've "tweaked" the routine (not handling) into a packet trick. If you ALREADY know "Oil & Queens" and would like a description, PM me.)
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I always thought that O&W theme goes well with the Follow the Leader theme :
so I do a 8 cards routine with 2 phases O&W and ends with FTT
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I believe that construction and presentation of the Oil and Water effect are what can make it or break it, as was stated earlier it runs a lot of the risks of and Ambitious Cart Routine. I have seen a few where the effect just seems to go on and on and on, with the magician stating exactly what he's doing over and over and over. Routines like that tend to get under my skin. I feel that if an effect isn't what I call a "quick trick", the patter really needs to have a premise or story element to it in order to keep the spectators interested. Just MHO.

That being said I perform Guy Hollingworth's Oil and Water and have great success with it. There are only 2 phases to it and the patter I use involves my high school Science teacher and a passing grade.

Hope this is helpful

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On 2009-05-30 16:31, Cardician99 wrote:
A very deceptive Oil & Water theme with a killer ending is: "Oil & Queens," by Roy Walton (Complete Walton, Vol. 1). Fast and to the point: 8 cards shown as mixed red/black. 4 dealt cleanly to table; 4 held.

4 held cards revealed to be all black. Although spectators are expecting all reds, tabled cards are turned over revealing instead the 4 Queens. No gaffs. Handling is very clean and effect easy to do.

(I've "tweaked" the routine (not handling) into a packet trick. If you ALREADY know "Oil & Queens" and would like a description, PM me.)





Very glad you mentioned this version. It's also in vol 6 dvd of Ammars card magic.
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Has anyone ever tried Japanese Aces? It only uses the 4 Aces.

Also Derren Browns O&W in his Devil's Picture Book DVD is very nice.
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