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Pakar Ilusi
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He won't do it, imho...

But he could...

I think he should.

Be good to show the World some real Live Magic.

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And why exactly "should" he?
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'Cause Angel is giving all of us Magicians a bad rep...

It would actually be good for Copperfield to be seen to do this, imo...

Angel is like that brat younger brother who thinks he "knows everything" but now that BELIEVE has bombed, Copperfield should come and "have a talk" kinda thingy with him...

Not that Angel would ever ever consent to that, not publicly at least...

Copperfield probably is the only one in a position to even have the "standing" to do this... Again, imo...

That's why I think Copperfield "should" do this...

Imho...

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It would in no way help Copperfield to do this. If Believe goes down, David sells more tickets to his Vegas show... Copperfield makes like 57 million a year now... Angel got 100 million for 10 years... That'd be a big pay cut.

The only way DC could help it would be if it was done his way. Cirque would never let that happen.

Cirque + Magic isn't a good combo. If you're expecting to see a Cirque show, you're disappointed, and if you're expecting to see a magic show, you're disappointed. You can't have both. One has to take a back seat.

Now add Angel and his stupidity and ego, and it's a disaster.

For DC it's a no win no matter how you look at it. For it to be good, it'd have to be a David Copperfield show. If that's the case, it wouldn't be the Cirque show Believe anymore.

It's doomed no matter how you cut it.

But for the record, DC kicks Angels ass ANY day of the week.
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David Copperfield is laughing all the way to the bank. Smile

He's NOT HELPING!
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Why would he? It is delusional to think he would want too.

It is also delusional to say Criss is "bad for magic". His show is not great, he does not seem to have been the person I would put in the forefront, but it is not good or bad for magic.

What IS bad for magic is the LEGIONS of guys out there DOING BAD MAGIC. Guys who do tricks so badly they expose them simply by sucking. To dwell on Criss and say he is "bad for magic" is delusionl. Let it go. One guy doing one bad show is not going to affect magic in the grand scheme of things. He will succede or he will fail and magic,a nd life will move on.
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Danny, Life will move on regardless of anything ANY Magician does. It is never THAT important.

And I did state that I don't think either Copperfield or Angel would do this.

I just think he, Copperfield, SHOULD. If you and he and Angel don't, fine.

And I am a little bit delusional. Smile
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On 2009-05-09 01:40, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
He won't do it, imho...

But he could...

I think he should.

Be good to show the World some real Live Magic.

Smile


If he does, can we just make sure it's after his Australian tour? Smile

Cheers,

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Hm.
Somehow, I believe that these sorts of antics do a lot more harm to the integrity of magic than an occassional flop:
http://www.thecellfreak.com/blog/listen-......oicemail
http://www.theinsider.com/news/430593_Da......e_victim
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Hm.
Somehow, I believe that these sorts of antics do a lot more harm to the integrity of magic than an occassional flop:


Umm, that has nothing to do with the "integrity of magic". And so nice of you to post a link that calls DC a rapist, when the case never even made it to court.

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I don't know if he did the act in question, but I do know what was on those recordings. Still creepy.


But, let's consider what we know DC is guilty of. He has the largest collection of magic artifacts in the world, and the general public is forbidden to see it. He spoke many times of opening a public museum, but he never has. Instead of preserving magic history for the world, he hordes it for himself and his invited friends. By refusing to allow the public access to such a museum, he is hurting magic, in my opinion.

You don't have to like Criss Angel, I don't have to like David Copperfield, that's what makes America great.


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Hm.
Somehow, I believe that these sorts of antics do a lot more harm to the integrity of magic than an occassional flop:


Umm, that has nothing to do with the "integrity of magic". And so nice of you to post a link that calls DC a rapist, when the case never even made it to court.

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So Critter, what it basically comes down to for you is you want access to Copperfield's museum and you can't get in. It's a private collection and he's free to do with it as he wants. To quote a recent post here on The Café - "That's what makes America great."
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Critter, many people have many great artifacts that they never show in public. Do you hate them as well or just selfishly hate those who horde what you want to see?

Know what would really show him? You should go amass tons of money, and buy the artifacts, and then show them to the public.
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Incorrect. What it comes down to is that the collection could be a means to educate the general public on the illustrious history of magic.
I could easily write a letter asking for an invite, but it's not about me not seeing the collection, it's about missing an opportunity to educate the masses.
A public museum with the right publicity could only help magic.
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So Critter, what it basically comes down to for you is you want access to Copperfield's museum and you can't get in. It's a private collection and he's free to do with it as he wants. To quote a recent post here on The Café - "That's what makes America great."
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Boy, we don't like it when someone talks bad about a popular magician, do we?
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Do you think the public has any real interest in such a history? Hardly.
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But that's just the point. If you put it out there they will eat it up.
They are cattle. People payed to go to "Bodies" in Vegas when they could have audited an A&P course at any University and seen the same thing.
I think DC recognized the potential when he announced that he would make the museum, 20 years ago. He just didn't follow through.

Posted: May 14, 2009 9:46pm
As for the quip about me buying his collection and opening a museum, if I could then I certainly would.
It would be like the EMP in Seattle.
Museums are important.

Anyway. I've said all I had to say. Some might understand how I feel, some might not. Just putting it out there.
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I think DC recognized the potential when he announced that he would make the museum, 20 years ago. He just didn't follow through.


David has a lot of projects going on at the same time and there still may be plans to open to the public. Just because it's not happening in your time line doesn't mean it's not going to happen. 20 years ago he may have announced a museum (I don't remember the exact date) BUT he didn't even own the building that it's currently in 20 years ago.

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Boy, we don't like it when someone talks bad about a popular magician, do we?


Some of us, who actually know David (I've known him for almost 30 years - almost before you were born)tend to get defensive when someone like you brings up a past allegation that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Obviously YOU DO have something against David.
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I will say this about David, he would never say that "people are cattle". He has too much respect for his fans.

The stuff is HIS. HE gets to decide what is done with it. Why should you be able to tell him what to do with it? For now we still live in America.
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Back to the topic at hand:

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Be good to show the World some real Live Magic.



The world can see some real live magic - they go to see David's live show. He spends a lot more time in Vegas now than he previously has and has been previously posted, it's not in his best interest to team up with another show, when his show does well at the box office and stands strong on its own.

When Roy was mauled several years ago, there was "talk" that they were trying to get David into the Mirage. Obviously that didn't happen and something like that will never happen. At this point in his career, David is only going to do projects that interest him artistically.

I know for years David didn't want to be a "Vegas act" - meaning a show that is continually running in Vegas. While he has respect for guys like S&R who did make Vegas their career, it's not the direction he wanted to go.
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