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lane99
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Davit, I'm sure you realize that opting out of incestuous back scratching- or hand buffing, as the case may be- will not win you any popularity contests here.

But thanks for sharing your opinions. If perspectives such as yours were excluded from this forum it would be a far less useful place than it is.
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I agree that davit should share his opinions, but maybe the should just be a little more informed, rather than just highly-opinionated...

davit himself admitted that he likes upsetting people...which, I'm sure speaks more than anything positive he's ever added to his "reviews"...
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I think Dale with a single post gave me all the information I need to know.
I've assumed nothing about him. Now I do.

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anyway davit - what I've stated isn't an attack, its a fact...don't mislabel it as anything else...


Label it, or more tellingly 'mislabel' it as you wish. So far in this thread you have asserted as 'Iain fact' that I am lonely, desperate for jollies, lacking respect, bored, and wrong. I'll take 'provocative' as a compliment.

I don't believe I've ever said that I like upsetting people. I don't.

As my posting history shows, I give positive comments and reviews where I feel they are due. Correspondingly, I always have my flashlight of justice charged and waiting and have no problem illuminating the shady when I notice sub par material, hyping, manipulative marketing and unethical behavior.

I'm better informed than you think, but if you expect me to fork out $150 to be better informed about this product then that is another error of your thinking.

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as said by dale - you can't go into details with some eriksonian stuff, as it can reveal too much...

Sounds like it's gonna be really mysterious for the audience.
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Davit,

Subpar material? How would you know the par of the material? Oh wait, you don't. Hyping? Yes, like anybody else selling anything else I influence people.

Now let's get to this "manipulative marketing" and "unethical behavior".

1) Davit asserts NLP doesn't work.
2) I have used principles almost exclusively from NLP to influence people to buy my book on my sales page.
3) Davit asserts that I am "manipulating" people into buying my book. I don't understand how I can manipulate anybody if NLP doesn't work!

I've also told people privately and publicly that they would be better served by NOT buying my book. Some of them would be better with other beginner texts, and others I simply don't want as clients.

To insult my name (Dale-E Waley) is immature and shows the TRUE perspective Davit is coming from. To insult my customer service and to throw around some of the other insults Davit has borders on libel. Any customer of mine can email me with proof of purchase and I will assist them to the best of my ability. That's been my policy from day one. Davit is confusing what he thinks are "potential" customers with actual clients. Davit has never been a client, and Nimrod is someone I don't want as a client. Tell me how I can give poor customer service to people who are not even my customers?

And let's talk about this whole "really mysterious for the audience" gambit since Davit has brought it up too many time now.

A skilled hypnotist watches a complete, uncut demo of another skilled hypnotist doing a skit. The skilled hypnotist who watched the demo can now do the routine he saw. Does that make skilled hypnotists lousy performers? Does that make hypnosis any less mysterious to lay people? No, it doesn't.

I have grown Tired of feeding Trolls.

Sincerely,
Dale A. Hildebrandt
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1) Davit asserts NLP doesn't work.
2) I have used principles almost exclusively from NLP to influence people to buy my book on my sales page.
3) Davit asserts that I am "manipulating" people into buying my book. I don't understand how I can manipulate anybody if NLP doesn't work!

Think about it Dale..... Now you know why this is nonsense.

My comments about sub-par material, manipulative marketing, hyping and unethical behavior were generalizations about my posting history. They weren't aimed specifically at you or your product - although coincidentally, at least some of them could have been.

Your response to Nimrod in this thread was outrageous! You don't want him as a customer? On what basis? Because he dared question you? Or asked if there was any performance footage? Amazing. Again, when I see a potential customer being treated in a such a fashion before they hand over their money, I hate to think how you treat your paying customers.

You don't know whether I've been a past client of yours.

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A skilled hypnotist watches a complete, uncut demo of another skilled hypnotist doing a skit. The skilled hypnotist who watched the demo can now do the routine he saw. Does that make skilled hypnotists lousy performers? Does that make hypnosis any less mysterious to lay people? No, it doesn't.


Again, you are missing the point. No one is asking for complete uncut footage, there are plenty of ways one can obfuscate the performance and yet still give a good impression of the material and the reactions it generates. Either way, I'm not all that fussed about the video.... I was more concerned about the vagueness of your effect descriptions. They promise so little and are so scant on details that I have no idea what some of them might even look like.

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I have grown Tired of feeding Trolls.

I'm growing tired of being fed stuff I simply can't swallow.
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Davit - you're a very naughty boy...and lets leave it at that...

"better informed than you think" - hmmm...a very interesting comment, which I agree with...and confirms something I've been wondering for a while...

now, lets all hold hands and end on a song...
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Can we sing "Hit the road Dale and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more" ???
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I feel like feeding some trolls and giving some video footage--albeit the video footage isn't of me or my material! It is material that belongs to Penn & Teller.

http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/nimrod/showVideo.asp?m=1303658

So, nimrod, when did you get permission from Penn & Teller to do their invention?

Just one of many reasons I have for not wanting to sell to nimrod.

As for Davit, who said "No one is asking for complete uncut footage, there are plenty of ways one can obfuscate the performance and yet still give a good impression of the material and the reactions it generates."

Davit, look in the "Latest & Greatest" of this forum. People are NOW saying "give me complete uncut footage with no reactions", "you could get those same reactions with anything", "reactions can be faked", "I'm tired of obfuscated performances", etc. etc. So, tell me All-Wise Davit...how do I make a video demo that agrees with what you say and also satisfies what people want in demos and still does not give away the whole game?

The REAL reason I have resurrected this thread is to let people know that I will have a few copies of "Hand Bluffs Plus More Stuff" in stock this March...possibly a bit sooner. Contact me privately if you want put on the list.

Sincerely,
Dale A. Hildebrandt
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On 2010-01-25 16:31, Dale A. Hildebrandt wrote:
I feel like feeding some trolls and giving some video footage--albeit the video footage isn't of me or my material! It is material that belongs to Penn & Teller.

http://www.flix.co.il/tapuz/nimrod/showVideo.asp?m=1303658




hahaha now this gets personal...

what I do know
is that Nimrod is a full time performer that has a Tv Show in Israel and gets to MC a bunch of events.. while Dale is still an unknown guy (to me at least) that acts like a snake oil salesman... I'm still waiting for that video.
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I am interested in what hildebrandt put out: all of his past books were up to par
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