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Chase P. New user 61 Posts |
I have a quick question about the handshake pattern interrupt induction. I understand that Anthony Jacquin , the author of Reality is Plastic , preforms this induction after a convincer. but I've heard that it can be done without a convincer and even before a pre-talk. Just introduce myself as the hypnotist, ask to do some hypnosis, and BAM they are out. Can this induction be done before a convincer or pre-talk or is it for more of a re-induction?
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Nongard1 Special user 664 Posts |
Ah.... the world famous handshake induction...
Yes it can be done as an initial induction. The big if here, is do you know enought about hypnosis, signs of trance, rapport builing and subject selection (what most people forget about) to do it as an intial induction. No, people can not just be randomly "handshook" into induction without a lot of knowledge in some very subjective and nuanced language. So it can be done. I can do it, anthony can, cerbone can, Johnathan Royale can, I am sure brain david phillips and sean micheal anthony can and some others.... can you? Probaly, but this is NOT the starting point for learning hypnosis and takes a lot of skill. Learn fundamentals of hypnosis. Learn speedtrance as a starting point, learn NLP.... These are the skills that underly a successful "cold" handshake induction.... I must also admit, this is an induction I used the other day, its very impressive. But I only use it 1:500 times, becasue it is hard to pull off, subject selection is proably the most important aspect as is langauge choices. Its not one of those thing you can just read a script for... Richard
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Anthony Jacquin Inner circle UK 2220 Posts |
HI Chase,
Good question. You are right I have normally gone through one or two set piece procedures. However this is not necessary (like so many things in isolation)it just helps. If you are going to introduce yourself as a hypnotist, ask to do some hypnosis then you have every chance of this working. Doing it without introducing yourself and without asking is possible too but obviously less reliable. I certainly encourage my students to practice using it as a reinduction but only so they can get the moves and words smooth. If you like it there is no reason it cannot become your induction of choice. I think I have said before that the 'pattern interrupt' part of this is in my opinion overplayed. If you have done your intro then just get into it and keep talking. Anthony
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silverfire9 Veteran user Rochester Hills, MI 323 Posts |
I've done the handshake interrupt before and I agree that it can be done cold. You do get a much greater chance of it going perfectly if you warm them up a little bit, of course; pretalk, doing something with someone else already, etc. But it most certainly can be done as the only induction.
I forget his name, but there's a guy who's posted videos on YouTube where he walks up to strangers on the street and does a handshake interrupt on them, with no intro. Look for "hypno sculpture." There's even one video posted showing one time it went wrong. I agree with both Anthony and Richard above, btw. Joshua |
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On 2009-05-29 00:50, silverfire9 wrote: His name is Wyn, he is from Thailand. Incredible talent. He does some talking to them that you do not hear. Its basically confusion bable. Candin
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silverfire9 Veteran user Rochester Hills, MI 323 Posts |
Yes, I know he does talking to them, and that it's basically verbal confusion stuff, but there's still no intro. He doesn't do a pretalk with them, he doesn't ask permission, etc.
Someone on another forum watched those videos and claimed they were fake, iirc. One of the reasons I stopped visiting that forum, actually; so many people claiming to be experts and that anything they didn't do or say themselves was a fake, etc. Well, and the fact that they were overwhelmingly negative and unhelpful to the extreme. Joshua |
Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21621 Posts |
"Can" it be done? Yea of course. Just the law of large numbers will tell you if you do it enough eventually you will have some You Tube footage that will show it working.
I simply can not imagine "why" you would walk up to a stranger with no pre talk and even attempt it. It simply makes absolutly no sense to me in the least. "Could" I do it? Yea, but it would never occur to me to. It just seems like people want to turn what we do into the "Jedi Mind Trick" or some such power. It is what it is guys. Nothing more. That being said I also say "Whatever floats your boat" and leave those to it who want to try it. No harm no foul sort of thing.
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On 2009-05-29 23:44, silverfire9 wrote: There is one video where the guy gets mad and it doesn't work:) It is real, I have a DVD that explains it all and how to do it (Amazing INductions). Cheers Candin
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Nongard1 Special user 664 Posts |
I am with Danny on this. Becuase I can do it, and have, does not mean I see it as useful. In fact if I didn't teach hypnosis, therefore raising the bar and expectation of what I can and will do, I would never do it.
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
Richard, I basically agree with you. I find it rarely useful. However, there are a few instances where it can come in handy. With hypnotherapy it makes a fast second and future induction so you can focus on suggestions rather than induction. However, I would also contend that it can be used as a great pattern interrupt induction when someone is deeply into their own trance. For example, if someone is in an unrealistic state of terror (Raving with something like "Oh my God! The aliens are going to get me! What am I going to do!" etc.) and will not listen to you, an interrupt like this can switch someone from one undesired state to one where you can communicate with them.
For demonstration/stage hypnosis, it can be useful to imply your "power" and encourage others to more easily go into trance (i.e., give authority). I wouldn't want to do it with all participants (actually, it's too quick), but with one or two it can be effective. That being said, it's good to know to have an extra tool for one's induction techniques even if it is rarely used. And in your case, as an instructor, I would suppose it's virtually required. |
Chase P. New user 61 Posts |
I was just thinking if it can be done without a pretalk than it's just going to be stacking the deck in my favor with one. but mostly it was because I really dislike convincers. I'm 15 and afraid it might come of a bit cheesy.
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Nongard1 Special user 664 Posts |
Learn spedtrance.... you will learn a 15 second pretalk, a method of rapid induction taking someone into trance in 4 seconds, and how to do rapid deepening...., and how to do it safely, correctly and confidently....
15 year olders don't shake hands... I think it would be a bit unnatural for a teen to be doing handshake inductions....
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Chase P. New user 61 Posts |
Maybe I'm known as a very polite 15 year old, .good point.
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
A cultural difference there, cause here in Malaysia MOST all 15 year olds shake hands. With adults is a given. With their peers and younger kids I mean.
Not right or wrong, just the way it is here. There you go.
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silverfire9 Veteran user Rochester Hills, MI 323 Posts |
Maybe for the 15 year olds there can be a fist bump pattern interrupt?
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Chase P. New user 61 Posts |
Awesome idea silverfire9 !!!
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Zerububle Elite user Poole 430 Posts |
James Brown does a 'high five' as a pattern interupt induction for younger adults. Essentially, once there is a presupposition for hypnosis (i.e. Hello, I'm THE hypnotist!), you offer a high five and at the crucial moment (the hands meeting) you move your hand in front of their face ("Sleep!") as theirs flails over your shoulder. Have seen James do this cold and it looks very funky for the teens!
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Chase P. New user 61 Posts |
Sounds Amazing
Is there a video link I could see ? |
JohnRaven New user East Coast, USA 66 Posts |
Any induction can be done as an initial induction. ANY. However, as has already been pointed out... your results and successes will vary with your subjects, rapport, etc.
But most hypnotists know that there are about 5% of people who will go in... pretty much no matter what you do, so long as you are forceful (parental) and do some deepeners to get them deeper into trance. About 20% will go in and go fairly deep with any sort of consensual induction. And most importantly, about 73% of all statistics are made up. Watch some of the hypno-sculpting videos on YouTube to get an idea of what's possible with a pattern interrupt instant induction without consent. He does show SOME of his failures, but let's face it... he could fail 95% of the time and if he only posts his successes, we have no idea of actual success numbers. |
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