On 2009-06-09 12:30, Lawrence O wrote:
Do you mean patter? or move?
If move, the choice is enormous
If patter, the one I use to get the people emotionally involved is "Have you already been in a position where you were on top and everybody tried to drag you back down into the crowd?"
Believe me it's hell of a hook up especially if you made them sign the Ambitious Card which now represents them.

On 2009-06-10 19:29, Nathan Kranzo wrote:
Interesting to note. I remember a few years back I was in Japan performing with Alfonso, Dan Garrett, and Tommy Wonder. I was very jaded and would have been happy to never see another ACR. I was very tired having just performed several shows back to back and I was standing behind the crowd at the back of the hall. The crowd was all Japanese laymen and they were audibly gasping at someone's performance. It was Tommy Wonder performing his ACR. It was the coolest thing. In the middle of Tommy Wonder's routine I remember thinking "wow this is really cool". I didn't even realize he had suckered me into another ACR but it was so good and so dramatic. Of course he had a beautiful ending as well.

Tommy's performance of this classic was awesome.

All the best,

Kranzo

On 2009-06-10 19:29, Nathan Kranzo wrote:
Interesting to note. I remember a few years back I was in Japan performing with Alfonso, Dan Garrett, and Tommy Wonder. I was very jaded and would have been happy to never see another ACR. I was very tired having just performed several shows back to back and I was standing behind the crowd at the back of the hall. The crowd was all Japanese laymen and they were audibly gasping at someone's performance. It was Tommy Wonder performing his ACR. It was the coolest thing. In the middle of Tommy Wonder's routine I remember thinking "wow this is really cool". I didn't even realize he had suckered me into another ACR but it was so good and so dramatic. Of course he had a beautiful ending as well.

Tommy's performance of this classic was awesome.

All the best,

Kranzo

On 2009-06-12 00:15, Tortuga wrote:
Pretty sure that Tommy Wonder always ended with the ring box. So dramatic and it added a wonderful element of suspense. I saw a video recently of Tommy doing his ACR routine about 20 years ago and it was pretty much identical to what he did on the L&L project. Patter and all, nearly identical. When it works, you don't need to change it!

As far as Josh's routine, I agree with most of what's been said. Regarding the length of the routine, I'm on the fence. I cannot get the layman's perspective back so I don't know what they would think. Is it too long for them? Not sure. I'm like Nathan, sometimes the mere mention of cards rising to the top makes me want to puke. Then I go and do it myself....go figure!

The top palm was lacking. I suggest a one-handed top palm similar to what I mentioned over in the Dai Vernon Top Palm thread. That way you can use your eyes AND your other hand to misdirect. Very powerful. Or do as suggested and go with the bottom palm. In card to wallet I tend to prefer the bottom palm myself. Depends on conditions.

By the way Josh, you can have your cake and eat it too. Work out several versions of ACR. Sprinkle your favorite moves amongst the routines. That way you can shorten the routine if necessary and if you are doing it table-to-table you can vary the sequences so that the moves don't get overexposed and you don't get bored. Just a thought. Daryl suggests this in his book and on his video, comparing the ACR routine to a jazz composition. You know how you will begin and how you will end but there can be a wild ride inbetween.

I also agree with the comment about conviction that the outjogged card is actually the selection. For a primer on the subject view Tommy Wonder's routine and see how he shows them that he really did put their card in the deck and it still rises. It seems so fair that the audience is really going nuts at that point. By the way, count the sequences in his routine. You might be surprised.

Good luck as you work on your routine.

On 2009-06-12 14:57, Engali wrote:
Honestly, I don't particularly like the idea of placing the AC, with the marked back, on to the top of the deck and then top palming it. Why risk astute spectators noticing, as you go for the pocket or place the deck down, that their card isn't on the deck anymore. Ya, they'll be misdirected, but we're talking ideal circumstances here. Not everyone will always be misdirected. Why not put the card in the middle of the deck and then side steal it?

On 2009-06-13 05:44, Back No 67 wrote:
Over all I can't really add anything to what has been said. I stopped reading about half way through when the arguments started breaking out. I do agree though, you can never stop learning. You're ACR is good, a nice routine of sleights the flow fairly well. It has already been said, but the end palm really needs a fix. You could probably even just wrist kill the deck to hide the removal of the top card.

I really like the Hindu control. I understand that you are learning of Kamm, but I think you should really develop your own style a bit more. You obviously have the technical skill to do it, just relax.

Ed

On 2009-06-13 03:51, joshsmagic wrote:


My current method does work. the card to wallet is a separate effect from the acr. By the time the acr is over everyone's attention is reacting to the routine. In live performance mode I top palm a lot cleaner now, than in the video, and when I place the deck back on the table it is placed face down. Thank you for your insight.

On 2009-06-13 03:51, joshsmagic wrote:
My current method does work. the card to wallet is a separate effect from the acr. By the time the acr is over everyone's attention is reacting to the routine. In live performance mode I top palm a lot cleaner now, than in the video, and when I place the deck back on the table it is placed face down. Thank you for your insight.