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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts 
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Thanks Josh for having an open mind about magic. Take what you get here on the Café for what it's worth. You'll get great ideas and also some bad, but at least it will make you think about what you do and why. Keep the receptiveness that you have right now for your entire career and you'll do awesome
"Don't let your Dreams become Fantasies"
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joshsmagic Regular user Chicago 189 Posts
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On 2009-06-04 18:43, AlienSpaceBat wrote: Who says he is asking for anything. Does he need to ask for something? People leaving comments is one thing, but handing out advice is different...they are comments, not advice. Do you have a link for JK's ACR, I'm not sure if I've seen it? |
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joshsmagic Regular user Chicago 189 Posts
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On 2009-06-04 18:43, AlienSpaceBat wrote: In response to this quote, Jonathan Kamm wanted me to post this response directly from him: Post this response and let them know its from me: I post on YouTube to inspire others. When I am looking for help or advice I ask the right people. 99% of the negative comments on my videos come from anonymous haters and yes the opinions of anonymous haters are worthless. The people whose opinions I respect contact me privately if they have a suggestion about one of my videos. This is how professionals act. To try to post a negative comment on one of my videos publicly shows a lack of respect. It shows that your motivation is to hurt me not help me. Those comments are deleted. In life there are only 2 times when criticism is appropriate. 1.When someone asks you for advice 2. When you are an authority figure to that person (teacher, parent, coach, boss ...ect.) Any other time criticism is just rude and out of line and meant to harm that individual. This is destructive criticism. I listen to everyone. But if you can not back up what you say then don't expect me to follow your advice. If you want people to listen to your advice then that position of authority is something you must earn my friend. ,Jonathan Kamm |
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joshsmagic Regular user Chicago 189 Posts
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JK's acr anyone?
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bigchuck Veteran user Nothing clever has ever been said in my 400 Posts
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I like it.
"The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact
mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows. - Frank Zappa" |
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joshsmagic Regular user Chicago 189 Posts
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On 2009-06-05 13:38, bigchuck wrote: do you have a link |
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Cain Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 1553 Posts
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On 2009-06-04 22:02, joshsmagic wrote: Et cetera is abbreviated "etc." Tell Jonathan I do not mind offering this correction publicly because I teach spelling to children with learning disabilities.
Ellusionst discussing the Arcane Playing cards: "Michaelangelo took four years to create the Sistine Chapel masterpiece... these took five."
Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes: "You know Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are even worse!" |
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pearljamjeff Inner circle Ann Arbor 1249 Posts
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Just do a search. It's the first on there.
Jon's idea about when criticism is appropriate is complete hack, arrogant, and unfounded. Where do those two limitations even COME FROM? His own little world? Shutting out opinions that don't jive with his own by placing himself on a level where no one can touch him is heavily influenced by third-grader mentality. He, himself, does not have the "proof" that he requires to be an authority. He has a popular video on youtube. Whoop-dee-flipping-do. You don't have to be popular or have a million people standing behind you for an idea to be correct. You can have something called "logic." But when intelligence is lacking, logic suffers, and some choose to make their own rules, with no base in reality. If said performer spent more time working on his personality (you know, actually being likable and stuff...) instead of putting up a fight every time someone doesn't like something of his... it would actually solve two problems at once! Novel, huh?
Jeff Travilla - I own an advertising agency to help finance my magic addiction.
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AlienSpaceBat Regular user 152 Posts
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On 2009-06-04 22:02, joshsmagic wrote: And there we have the measure of it. Better card skills than me without doubt, so I'll make no further observation on that. The ability to take criticism and suggestion is the mark of an adult, and part of striving for continuing improvement. All the above shows a sad lack of humility and open-mindedness, in my opinion, to which I most certainly AM entitled. My advice to you Josh, is to learn card handling from Mr Kamm, but look elsewhere for a role model ... IMHO, of course. |
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truckbonner555 New user 61 Posts
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I really liked the routine. The only sleight that was sloppy was the top palm at the end. You drew a lot of attention to the hands and it was not natural looking. I suggest learning a very natural one hand or two hand top palm.
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Mark Ennis Inner circle Raleigh, NC 1031 Posts
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On 2009-06-01 02:19, Voldemort wrote: Actually Darwin's claim that the correct number of phases being 6 is tongue-in-cheek since Darwin's routine is 6 phases. I think he would agree with you that the length of the routine or number of phases depends on the performers ability to sustain the interest of the audience and that each phase becomes increasingly more impossible and convincing.
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joshsmagic Regular user Chicago 189 Posts
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On 2009-06-06 09:51, Mark Ennis wrote: I agree, and that's what I'm trying to do...is have a nice flow through the routine that each phase gets more impossible then the next. One thing I try to mess around with for this routine is having good transitions from each phase to the next. Any suggestions for the transitions? |
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts
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On 2009-06-06 12:29, joshsmagic wrote: In this case, then, in my opinion you'll want to reevaluate the structure of the routine. First, one thing your current routine lacks is conviction that the face-down card that's seen sticking out in the middle of the deck is their card. In my experience after a while people do not trust that this card, that's supposed to be their card, is actually their card. In your case, it's frequently not, and that's a potential weakness. Second, shuffling in the middle of an ACR routine makes no sense. The effect is that the card is jumping to the top of the deck. As such, for the effect to truly register, they need to have a sense of where the card is both before the effect happens and after the effect happens. If you wanted to sell the card as lost in order to add that dimension to it, I think you'll need to offer the deck out for shuffling -- the routine to that point is sufficient proof that you'll got excellent control over the cards, and that a shuffle means little. Third, making each phase seem more impossible than the next usually means doing the same basic effect over and over again, not hitting them with new revelations (such as card-to-mouth or a colour-change). These may be impressive revelations, but they don't necessarily add to an overall feeling of increasing impossibility in the ACR effect itself. If instead you're hoping to do something akin to a card flurry, that's a different story. Fourth, well, as others said, work on technique. Assume that the more you fool them with an effect, the harder they'll look, so get rid of every tell you can. Quote:
One thing I try to mess around with for this routine is having good transitions from each phase to the next. Any suggestions for the transitions? Depending upon how much interaction there is with an audience, I think flow is overrated. If you're performing for a group of people and you want to keep things humming along, then that's one thing, but if the ACR has one strength over practically every other plot in magic, is that it's got the potential to build complete conviction in the effect. Through interaction with your audience -- and through practice with that interaction -- you can actually glean from them what would make the next phase more impressive, and respond accordingly. Just my two cents on all the above.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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joshsmagic Regular user Chicago 189 Posts
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Thanks a lot. That really helps out. I've heard from others that the shuffling in an acr doesn't make much sense, but as you know, its me demonstrating that the card is lost, whether a layman shuffles or I shuffle, lay audiences see the card being mixed in the deck, and then after that I show them the top three cards to reveal it isn't NEAR the top. and then I do a color change:/, people have been skeptic about this too. I think I may leave out the cool color changes for other effects and focus on the cleanliness of the card rising to the top everytime
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Ben Train Inner circle Erdnase never had 4639 Posts
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Josh,
I too wanted to keep the routine "pure" and cut out other, what I believed to be distracting, elements like color changes and vanishes. Truth is though, after looking at the dozen or so versions I like best, it's the ones that have some sort of variety that I like best. I know I promised you a phone call and I haven't forgotten. It's just I'm worried about the long distance charges if we talk for an hour or so while I'm in the states and roaming/long distance charges apply (we're talking a $100 phone call right now!). Ben
If you're reading this you're my favourite magician.
Check out www.TorontoMagicCompany.com for upcoming shows, and instagram.com/train.ben for god knows what! |
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The Burnaby Kid Inner circle St. John's, Canada 3158 Posts
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On 2009-06-06 13:12, joshsmagic wrote: Showing after a shuffle that the card isn't on top, or next to the top, or third from the top, and then showing it's risen isn't a terrible phase or anything, but it should be moved earlier. After the revelation of that effect, the effect is that the card appeared on top from "somewhere", and if you want to make sure that the audience believes that you're not faking not knowing where that "somewhere" is, you ought to hand the deck out for shuffling. Even so, though, the strength of the ACR for most people is that the card appears on top when they're so ****ing sure it's in the middle (sometimes if it's done well they'll express that verbatim). Shuffling confuses that effect.
JACK, the Jolly Almanac of Card Knavery, a free card magic resource for beginners.
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joshsmagic Regular user Chicago 189 Posts
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I concur, thank you so much for your help...continue to stay in touch...
Josh |
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joshsmagic Regular user Chicago 189 Posts
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On 2009-06-06 13:31, Ben Train wrote: I completely understand, maybe when you get back is a better time to talk from our home phones . Have fun at your conventions. I appreciate the compliment.
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joshsmagic Regular user Chicago 189 Posts
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Any suggestions for the first intro to the routine?
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts
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Do you mean patter? or move?
If move, the choice is enormous If patter, the one I use to get the people emotionally involved is "Have you already been in a position where you were on top and everybody tried to drag you back down into the crowd?" Believe me it's hell of a hook up especially if you made them sign the Ambitious Card which now represents them.
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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