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stoneunhinged
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Yes, I know...I've said it before.

When you have time, check out this interview:

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/9855

Note what Gladwell says about IQ starting about 23:00 or so.

Then put it in context.

Then leave this forum and go work on some sleights for a few hours. I'll go play the banjo.
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Gladwell is a really interesting character. Have you read any of his books? I've read Blink was fun and fascinating, and I've only heard interviews about Outliers. Think I'll run out to the bookstore this week.

John

PS what's not to love about a crazy-haired, nerdy Canadian writing for the New Yorker?
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The dreaded IQ.. Ive been snubbed by those b*****ds at MENSA for years!!!!!!!!!
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!



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Outliers was good. It really hit home the idea of "hidden variables of success" without denigrating the notion of personal achievement.

Tipping Point was his finest work in my opinion.

Blink, while entertaining, was more a collection of anecdotes than a cohesive theory in my opinion.
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You're not missing anything with MENSA. I was invited to join, but it turns out it's just a club for a bunch of underachievers who do well on IQ tests. (Me, too.) Being smart ain't the be-all and end-all. I'd rather have common sense or good judgment any day.
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I'd rather have a beer.

Here, everyone, beer is on me!

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"underachievers who do well on IQ tests"

That is me! I went to a top prep school, University of Georgia, and I worked as a shipping clerk because the DHL driver was hot. My buddy has me neat though, he has a masters degree from the University of Washington and has sold paint in Home Depot for over 20 years because 'managing sucks'.
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Darn liberal arts.

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On 2009-06-02 15:35, MagicSanta wrote:
"underachievers who do well on IQ tests"

That is me! I went to a top prep school, University of Georgia, and I worked as a shipping clerk because the DHL driver was hot. My buddy has me neat though, he has a masters degree from the University of Washington and has sold paint in Home Depot for over 20 years because 'managing sucks'.
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Have a look at peter watts' blindsight. Reading remains fundamental. The book is free to read here.
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I have no idea what my IQ is and I intend to keep it that way.

John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Actually liberal arts is a good discipline because the grads don't carry all the nonsense the business grads do. It takes, and this is pretty basic in high tech thought, two years to get someone right out of college to the point where the bad they learned is out of their system. I was a history major and originally wanted to teach.
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I'm convinced I have an IQ.

Right?

I mean...we all have one...right?

:Santa, if you were a history major and wanted to teach...well...I dunno.

Maybe you are an exception.

BTW, I'm eating Snickers and drinking beer. Just saying.
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I was a complete mess.....still am.
stoneunhinged
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Well, aren't we all.

We can't all remain 14 and wise forever.
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How are you folks doing on that book? Peter Watts has also written some short stories from which one might get a clue as to where he's going with blindsight but of the lot, the one with orca whales is probably the best. If you find his story Ambassador you will be close. Or you can enjoy the book and see the argument made fully and decide for yourself if it holds.

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On 2009-06-02 13:45, stoneunhinged wrote:
I'd rather have a beer.

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Next round is on me!

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Cheers,

Chris
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[quote]On 2009-06-03 07:58, Guerrilla Magic wrote:
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On 2009-06-02 13:45, stoneunhinged wrote:
I'd rather have a beer.

Here, everyone, beer is on me!

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Thank you Jeff, that's very generous of you.

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Next round is on me!

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Cheers,

Chris


Uh, Waiter. Can we have about a dozen straws?

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John
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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On 2009-06-03 06:22, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
How are you folks doing on that book?


Read the first twenty or thirty pages (I plan to read the rest) and skipped to the rather impressive notes at the end.

Nice tip, Jonathan.

But I'll have to put it on the back burner. This weekend I'm reading Doug Higley's new book. One has to set priorities.
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I read the book, and enjoyed it a lot. The core argument, if I understand it, feels wrong to me, but it's hard to consciously express why... Smile

The joke about what causes the aliens to assume the posture they do was funny (the broadcast signals thing), and perhaps points to the problem I have with the argument as stated in the book. Hyper-intelligence without hyper-empathy seems difficult to me. "Imagine what it's like to be 'X'"; okay, and how much better can I imagine if I'm more intelligent? Sure, a "sociopath" (apologies for using a vague term--I mean someone lacking in empathy) might be able to fake it, but that sociopath has to emulate something. Sociopaths may do well in small numbers, but a whole society of sociopaths seems problematic to me, even with heightened intelligence and perhaps a corresponding ability to navigate social interactions using game theory.

The author has the "Gang of Four" say a small bit about her dislike of Game Theory, but aside from that I don't see a lot about the useful side of things like emotion, irrationality, etc. I presume things like that are dealt with in the sources the author draws from, and I'd be curious to hear the arguments.

Anyways, lots of fun stuff in the book, including the best addition to vampire mythology I've seen in a while and good aliens.

Thanks for the link.

-Travis

P.S. Read much Greg Egan, Jon?
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Yes Travis, and Alistair Reynolds too.
Sorry for the late reply. I was hoping others would want to discuss the theme and offer perspectives.
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