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I've never used any levitation before, so I don't know what's good. I found one at the Magic Warehouse here...
http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/fin......r=DS1117
Is this item any good? It's 450 bux. Is that a reasonable price? Is there anything else I should get? I don't want to spent thousands of dollars, just something for either an in-home party or a small stage show.
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Yes it is the going price for chair suspension style illusions. The two brands at this price are the Mak magic model or the Sommer's model. This (from the pic) looks like a Sommer's model. Both work well for family style shows. You will only want to use a kid on it though and not exceed a weight limit of around 85lbs. That helps keep the illusion looking and working well.

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That is a Mak suspension. It is the photo from the Mak website. I believe that Klamm is the only one selling the Sommers model.
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Thank you for the help! I also found the thread on best livingroom levitations. Great info! One more question....

How do you know when it's right to use the chair levitation? I have a 3 year old, so forgive me. But I have no idea how much 8-10 year olds weigh. And how will you know if your chair suspention will work with the birthday child? They might be quite overweight. Do you ask the parents beforehand, although that sounds aweful? Or is even the heaviest of 8-10 year olds under the weight limitations of the chair? Sorry for sounding dumb. I just want to be able to market the show properly.
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Yes, you are right in that Klammsells the Sommers model. Both work well but I prefer the Sommers if I had to have a choice. I cover off on all of this information and much more in my ebook on the chair suspension. It may answer a lot of your questions.

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I ask the parents so that I will know whether or not it is a good effect for their party. If I bring it and don't think I can do it, they may not want to pay the extra fee to have me float one of the guests.
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You can usually indeed find that information out when you are talking with the client in the booking process. I can get a good idea if this will work based upon the age of the birthday child and I also ask their weight. Age and weight information seem to give me a good idea whether or not the illusion can be performed successfully. I usually have no problems at all.

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I'm guessin' height may have a small factor? I just purchased a MAK last night from The Magic Warehouse. After you remove the chair from their feet, you then remove the board they were laying on. So, they must have to be long enough to cover the entire board?
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So, my chairs should be on their way today. Hoping to have them within a week. I have only my 3 year old to test this out on. Does it take quite a bit of practice to use in shows? Will my 3 year old suffice as a test subject?
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Your 3 year old child will give you a good idea on how the effect should look and work. I purchased my first chair suspension when my daughter was around 3 and she liked to help me practice. thanks
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I once had a birthday child that weighted too much. The parents actually brought it up over the phone as they suspected it might happen. When I arrived, I saw they were right. It worked out because the girl was very sweet and enjoyed picking one of her friends to be the floatee.

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I just finished talking to my sister (as I was reading the last post actually) and her two older children are 9 and 11 and the 9 year old boy weighs 95 pounds. I guess this effect might be ideal for 5-8 year old parties then. Well, not parties that last for 5-8 years, but parties for children who are 5-8 years old! (lame jokes, I know)

Next question....does the MAK chair suspension work for boys with short hair?
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Just FYI you should always mention to the parents at the time of selling your show and you mention that you will float the birthday child you should follow up with "some restrictions apply"

this will give you an out if indeed the child is too heavy. unfortionatley there are many young children that are severaly overweight. if this happens then prior to the show I mention that either they do not go witht hat package or have the bday kid pic a friend to make float and th en I have the bday child assist me in making the freind float in the air.
Ihave them wiggle their fingers as I remove the chair and then after I move the board I have a cloth that I hand them and I hold one side they the other and we pass it over the top and underneath the floating child
then the big finsh for a kodak moment I have them stand withme facing the audience with the magic pose.

guarenteed applause moment and kodak moment and now the bday child is the star of the show.

have fun
sam

ps on a side note I hate the chair suspension but audiences like it and I like the extra $50 for bringing it so until I find something better its in the show.
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KYle knows what he is talking about as he is an expert at the suspension you cant go wrong with anything he has to say. MAtthew offers great advice here as he is an expert at birthday parties. It is a great idea to ask the parents. I also think his idea of charging an extra fee is a good wy to make some extra cash because of the pizazz factor. ack when I used to do parties I wish I thought of what he did about the extra charge. I sold my suspension because I am desigining my own version.
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Decibel33, do you know the difference between a levitation and a suspension?
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Thanks Chris for the kind words. Much appreciated.

Sam: good advice. if you hate the chair suspension, that just means one less person in my area doing it. hehehe Works for me. =)

In all seriousness, I always perform this at birthday parties and other events. In fact I will be performing it today at a school show. It always goes over amazingly well IF you know what you are doing and have a good routine. Just like anything, a truick is just a trick unless YOU make it entertaining.

I also state in my conversatuions and contract with each parent/client, about doing this as part of the show. However, in order to perform the illusion I must have a child that is under 85lbs and also around the age of 6 or so. I explian to them why and it has never been an issue at all. I also state that in the event that I can not float their child, that I have an equally amazing ending that still makes their child the star of the show.

if you mention it upfront and honestly, you should not ever have any issues at all. just NEVRER perform the chairs because you think you have to. if the conditions are not right, you need to put it away and not perform it.

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On 2009-06-08 00:23, Dynamike wrote:
Decibel33, do you know the difference between a levitation and a suspension?


Yes. If you want a detailed definition of the two, Dictionary.com is a good place to go. But basically a levitation is where an object rises up, and a suspension is where an object is left in mid air where it was placed. Hope that helps. Oh, and sorry for the confusion in the title of this thread. It really should be called a suspension.
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It was just a test. Okay, you passed.
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YAY! You wanna hear something funny? This is the truth. I was going to post a detailed description of both a levitation and a suspension, and I began by describing the levitation as "a direct defiance of gravity". It was only after I typed that out, I decided to see what Dictionary.com had to say, and the wording was almost exactly the same! So, I reworded, so it wouldn't sound like I actually visited Dictionary.com first!

By the way, off topic slightly...does anyone know if it's possible to get Copperfield's chair suspension? (Well, it's obviosly not his, but you know what I mean.) Then one he used in The Great Wall Of China special? He removes both chairs.
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Decibel33 -

On David Copperfield's Great Wall of China special, he doesn't perform a chair suspension.

He performs Walter "Zaney" Blaney's Ladder Levitation.

(Misnamed a "levitation", but that's ok, because it's so powerful!)

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