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Mark Storms
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John Kennedy has an amazing version of "Out of this world" called "Red and Black". I am trying to find all the different variations of John Kennedy's effect (NOT OUT OF THIS WORLD!)

Here are some to get us started... (Please list Effect Title, Author, Source)

"Intuition" Roberto Giobbi- Card College Light
“Splitting The Difference” by Gordon Bean- Genii Magizine May 2005

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Mark ,

I know Intuition but not the Kennedy's effect.

How would you define the differences between a variation of 'Red and Black' and a variation of 'Out of the world' ?

Or what would be for you the important differences between Intuition and OOTW ?

Is it the fact that not all the cards are dealt ? or that the performer holds a packet of mixed cards and can show mixed cards ?
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I don't think there are a lot of variations of this.Perhaps 'White Star' by Jim Critchlow could be included.
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Derren Brown's handling of Out of this World in the devils picturebook is brilliant. I watched it so many times when I first got the video, but alas technology has scuppered me and my video player is now in the loft! hehe. Should really make the effort and transfer to DVD - or it might just be easier to get the new dvds! lol
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There is a recently released deck that has many applications, including a version of Kennedy's trick. At least if its the one I'm thinking of.

EDIT: found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-lHfxR1mew

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Medifro,

I would assume you are talking about the Hummer Deck and the Variation of John Kennedy's Trick Called "White Trash".
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MarkyMark,

It would seem from the description of 'White Star' by Jim Critchlow that it is a variation of John Kennedy's "Red and Black". However, I cannot be sure because I have not seen the method. The procedure seems to be identical though.
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Moualb,

The major difference between "Intuition" by Robero Giobbi and "Red and Black" by John Kennedy is that the spectators are choosing from one mixed deck of cards. In "Intuition" Both spectators hold a packet of cards. I would still consider this one a variation of "Red and Black" though.
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Yes Mark, John Kennedy does get a credit in the instructions for 'White Star'

That Gordon Bean version is a beauty! Reminds me of something Max Maven would submit. No special deck needed...just a safety pin!
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J.K. Hartman has a very nice version of the Kennedy trick in Card Dupery. I'm out of town right now and can't get to my library. Find Vlad, he'd know.
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Ed,

The J.K Harman effect in Card Dupery reads as follows:

"Someone is asked to separate a mixed deck into black cards and reds, dealing the cards face upbut with his eyes closed. When he opens them, he sees what everyone else has been watching: the piles he has created are a random jumble of colors and he has utterly failed. Or has he The performer reveals that he has assembled the cards from two decksand his helper has somehow perfectly separated the cards by their different back patterns!"

By that description it doesn't seem like it would use the same method as Kennedy's Effect. It does sound very intriguing though.
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MarkyMark,

What is the deal with the safety pin in Gordon Bean's Version? I have not read the effect/method so I am not sure how a safety pin fits in.
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Mark,

I don't think that's the same routine. There's another one closer to the Kennedy routine. I won't be home for another week and a half. I'm sure that there's someone else here who can find it.
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On 2009-06-13 16:20, Mark Storms wrote:
MarkyMark,

It would seem from the description of 'White Star' by Jim Critchlow that it is a variation of John Kennedy's "Red and Black". However, I cannot be sure because I have not seen the method. The procedure seems to be identical though.


Critchlow, Jim: White Star (marketed routine ©2008) It's a classic routining with just one pile made by a spectator and a reject pile. The originality here is that the routine is not done with playing cards but with old photographs of passengers of the Titanic which have, printed on the back, some details about them and whether they "survived" or "died". Naturally one spectator ends up with only passengers who survived and the other one with passengers who died
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