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Tommy_McRock New user 21 Posts |
Tommy McRock = VERY green! So go easy... please? I've tried to scan through the topics so far but can't find anything that helps me.
Simply put, I've read half a dozen books on stage hypnosis now with a view to taking my performing in that direction. The books however suggest a contradictory approach to practice; some indcate I should practice with friends, others say I should practice with strangers. Exploring both options, I've found my friends don't want to be hypnotised: it appears the reputaion of hypnotists having their subjects clucking like chickens, ordancing naked has preceded me, no matter how I try and convince them otherwise! And I have no idea how to find strangers who'd want to participate in my learning!! I mean surely you can't advertise for that kind of thing?! The further problem is I'm out in the styx, have little contact with other hypnotists (I don't think this place has ever had one come through!) so I don't get an opportunity to see hypnotists at work, talk with, or find mentoring with any passing through. Direct learning is a hard option to follow... I'm struggling to find the next step... any suggestions or direction on how to acheive direct practice would be hugely appreciated. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Why not combine both ideas and practice with strange friends?
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I never hypnotised anyone before my first show. I read the book (only one at that stage, and not a particularly good one) memorised the induction, booked a theatre and went for it. To this day I have never hypnotised anyone one to one. My advice would be print up a few posters and persuade a local pub or small theatre to take a chance on you. Prepare thoroughly and have faith in yourself. If you do this with confidence (even fake confidence, as I had) and are thoroughly prepared then the odds are in your favour.
Sorry I cannot be more helpful but to this day (fifteen years doing shows) I have never hypnotised either a friend or a stranger.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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Tommy_McRock New user 21 Posts |
PM... all my friends are strange enough as it is =)
Tony, I appreciate the advice, but I really don't want to take the plunge and screw up very badly: I don't want to harm anyone, I don't want to book a show that's a nightmare and end up damaging the pub/clubs trade etc, and I don't want to do anything that's going to nip my progress in the bud and especially don't want to bring the trade into disrepute if I do diabolically poorly... Ideally I'd love to be able to attend a course, like those I've seen advertised around here and elsewhere, but they normally happen in london, or other cities, and I neither have the time nor resources to spare to go and do the studying I'd love to. |
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HypnotizeAmerica Veteran user 399 Posts |
Tommy -
Here is your problem ... you're afraid to fail. You don't want egg on your face. Let me ask you this - when you were learning to walk did you do it perfectly your first time? I highly doubt it. In life you have to be willing to take a leap of faith. Every time I have ever done that in my life the rewards have far outweighted the risk. If you are worried about not hypnotizing anyone then I suggest book a place outside of your hometown. That way if it sucks (and it won't) it will not be where you live. First time I did a stage show was for a corporate client - cause I had the balls to take the leap of faith. |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Tommy if you can't get to a course (which are good, from what I have heard) then your only other option is taking the plunge. You can do all the training and thinking you like before jumping out of an aeroplane, but in the end you have to take that leap of faith and jump. And the truth is that the guy who showed up on the day, did the half hour orientation and jumped will land as safely as the man who has read a dozen books on jumping beforehand. Just go for it.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I honestly think that is a really bad idea. There are some real risks and surprises with stage hypnosis and peoples reactions.
A much bigger risk than just failing. Glad to hear Tony got through his first few shows safely but even with experience things can go wrong. |
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asithlord New user johnathan townsends daily hobbie is 98 Posts |
I never got any practise either before my first show and don't work with friends or zap strangers, in fact if I aint doing it on stage I aint doing it.
there nothing wrong with the fear tommy it keeps you on your toes don't bother trying to talk your pals round either it may not work on them in any case, just get a show on and do it. think about the success rather than the failure and you will be okay regards |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I'm with asithlord on this, not MindPunisher. It's a show, not brain surgery. Just do it.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I thought this was a professional hypnotist forum...I think its more like the wild west - full of cowboys.
There are real risks of injuring participants in many ways that a book will not prepare you for. So what you risk isn't the embarressment of failing. You risk the safety of the participants. I now believe some do - do Non Hypnosis shows. The public deserve more than this. Hypnosis should be regulated. To be fair I think Tommy is really sensible. If you are serious about hypnosis and the market is ok where you are why not take out a loan for the training? I can't believe someone is doing shows saying he is a hypnotist when he has never hypnotised one-to-one or been hypnotised himself? that's the problem the market doesn't know how to recognise skilled hypnotists from fake dabblers. Tommy you should be able to make the money back in no time if the market is ok where you are. If the market isn't then its not worth doing. Plus you will cut years of the learning curve and probably make more money since most of these courses cover things like marketing too. |
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Tommy_McRock New user 21 Posts |
Okay, lets not come to blows over this, there are obviously two schools of thought on the process, and both seem fair enough.
If there's not standard practice for entering the business I'll follow the advice offered here =) thanks y'all |
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HypnotizeAmerica Veteran user 399 Posts |
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On 2009-06-14 19:09, mindpunisher wrote: Wild west? This from a guy who's nic name is Mindpunisher? I think this forum is great. It is a lot like life. A lot of talk, but not that much action. Perfect example - next month Bob Dylan, Willie Nelson, and John Melencamp (forgive me for the misspelling - not my groups) are coming to town. A group of us talked about going so I pulled up the site and bought my tickets right then for me and my dad (going to be a great fathers day gift!). Guess what everyone else did - watch me. So an entire group of people who say they want something but when it came to taking action they all froze why I pressed the button. If I would of never taken action I would of never done my first show or the hundreds that have followed. I would of never bought my publishing company and rewrote the materials. Action over meditation everytime. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Actually action from meditation is much better. Think before you act. Plus preparation the execution is quality action.
I never knew Bob Dylan was doing hypnosis shows these days? I hope got the proper training. |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Hi Tommy. You can quite safely ignore MindPunisher's advice. Perhaps he just wants to keep the field clear for himself. The only real danger in hypnosis is someone falling off a chair and injuring themselves.
Most of us here at one point had to just take the plunge and go for it. And you'll have to do the same. If you get the chance to do a training course, great. Otherwise memorise your induction, prepare thoroughly, and begin. Good luck.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
One thing you might consider is that the old line of "practice makes perfect" is untrue.
If you practice something wrong over and over you will get in the habit of doing it wrong. It's far easier, IMO, to learn it right than it is to break a habit and THEN learn it right. That's the value of trainings. You can have someone correct errors and help you learn correctly from the start. Practice doesn't make perfect. Only perfect practice makes perfect. |
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bobser Inner circle 4183 Posts |
You've taken the pebble from my hand.... you shoulda' been gone two hours ago!
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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Mark Davies New user 66 Posts |
Hi Tommy, First you should learn the safty aspects. I will train you if you can get to portsmouth ,I run stage hypnosis and hypnotherapy courses.
Cheers Mark |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2009-06-15 15:54, TonyB2009 wrote: That must be the worst advice from someone who hasn't even hypnotised someone one-to-one. that's the big problem with the market its full of cowboys who give it a bad name. As for keeping the market for myself? I couldn't care about the stage market it doesn't have the pay offs it used to have. But I would like to see the market full of competent hypnotists and entertainers. If you advertise and sell yourself as a hypnotist you should be a hypnotist not a shyster. The problem is the public don't kow how to differentiate. Hypnosis has a lot more potential problems and mistakes waiting to be discovered. Even with training. |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2009-06-16 09:35, mindpunisher wrote: I don't advertise myself as a hypnotist. I advertise myself as a stage hypnotist. Different thing.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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asithlord New user johnathan townsends daily hobbie is 98 Posts |
MP, no-one is as good as you okay, we get it, you are as close to god as you could get.
we all know it, there are cowboy builders, cooks, drivers and of course, hypnotists, we are not perfect or claim to be perfect, we are just sharing information and advice. sometimes its not always the best, mine included, but tommy came in here to ask a question and tonyb kindly offered some advice without shooting down other people or their methods, your advice was also good and respected however your response to other posts was quite uncalled for. you could have stated your point just as easily without coming across as mr. bigshot because, honestly, no-one likes an arse. so come on mp, drop the high and mighty attitude you carry and show some support for every poster and their personal methods. after all what has anybody in here done to you to personally offend you so much that you have to make insults to their integrity? and by the way, this is an open forum. much love |
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