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magicgar New user 24 Posts |
What do you guys think of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9zKfuztFX4&feature=related |
Nongard1 Special user 664 Posts |
I think an inexperienced hypnotist was unfamiliar with correct and postive word choices, probaly unaware of how to measure trance depth, and had no plan for dealing with abreaction. And in the culture of a high school, problems have a way of multiplying on each other...
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silverfire9 Veteran user Rochester Hills, MI 323 Posts |
Hmm. I can't get the video to play ... keeps having an error of some sort.
Not having seen the video (yet), I'd have to agree with Richard. Joshua EDIT: Just got it to play on my iPhone and I realize that I have seen this before, or heard the story before, more precisely. I can't remember all the details, but I know there were more details to the story than just what was shown in the video. I can't remember if "we" decided it was all just abreaction, if the kids had been drinking a little, or what, but it's definitely not the norm. And abreactions are something every hypnotist should know how to handle. That this guy did not is a very big black mark on his record, imo. You shouldn't go into stage hypnosis (or clinical) without knowing how to at the very least defuse an abreaction, should it occur. |
dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
Some of the key phrases in this report is that the unnamed hypnotist has used this script many times before and that he didn't know what was happening. To me, this means an ill-trained hypnotist who should have never been on the stage. Just because someone can do something doesn't mean they should do something.
As both Richard and Silverfire point out, the hypnotist didn't know how to deal with an abreaction. The hypnotist had supposedly been doing this show for years, indicating what most hypnotists know, that abreactions during stage shows are rare. But they can still happen and as a professional I believe you MUST know how to deal with it. But there was more. Supposedly, there were people who wouldn't come out of trance and the hypnotist didn't know how to deal with that, either. This happens more often, but it's because the hypnotic state is so wonderful that some people decide they want to stay there, not because they're "stuck" in the trance. Once again, however, if this happens the hypnotist needs to know how to deal with it, and the untrained hypnotist did not know this. Personally, I consider it horrible journalism NOT to give the hypnotist's name. That would be like saying, "There's a rapist running around in your neighborhood. We know who he is, but we're not going to tell you." Finally, the bottom line is that the report state everyone was fine, indicating that any claims to stage hypnosis shows being dangerous are vastly overstated. This was NOT "Botched Hypnotism." This was a botched show by an incompetent hypnotist. |
mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Yep hypnosis has risks attached to it even when you are experienced. But as some have posted recently on here they havn't had any training read a book and just went out and did it. One person admits he hasn't even hypnotised one-to-one.
Hypnosis should be regulated with proper recognised Certs. Its worth noting that this school will never have another hypnosis show. I wonder how many other neighbouring schools will take up the same stance? And ones that watched the news? With the number of cheap products widely available it's not wrong to assume this will happen more and more. And thing is the public group all hypnotists together. They will think its hypnosis that's dangerous. This how it declined over here. More and more incompetents hitting the market. Giving the Hypnotists name will make no difference to the negative impact this has had on stage hypnosis in general. Another real skill is audience management when something like this happens to prevent it escalating into a national media report. No way should anyone be doing shows without proper training. It just screws up the market for everyone else. |
TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2009-06-17 14:09, mindpunisher wrote: I completely agree. Where will it all end up? Next thing you know we'll have people doing magic who never went to a wizard's school, circus performers doing the human cannonball who have never been to artillary school, actors doing action movies who have never been in special forces. Some people just don't know their place.
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
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On 2009-06-17 14:09, mindpunisher wrote: Actually, I don't think that's completely accurate. Without watching it again, as I recall they stated that the school would not sponsor another hypnosis show. Doesn't mean they won't be held there. Quote:
Another real skill is audience management when something like this happens to prevent it escalating into a national media report. Very true, but I've never seen any stage hypnosis training that includes this. Have you? Quote:
No way should anyone be doing shows without proper training. Very true, IMO. However I can just hear the kiddies crying, "That's not fair! Why shouldn't I give shows when I can learn how to do it from a book or a video? What gives you the right to limit me?" The problem with certs, as suggested in another post, is that no cert org would be willing to charge enough so that they could be held responsible if a one of their members screws up. They are all going to be paper tigers good for name only. Sure, it's of some value showing that members have some training (or so they claim) and are willing to pay a small amount of money to prove they are willing to put that money where their claims are, but aren't much more than that. |
Tommy_McRock New user 21 Posts |
As I understand it, if someone won't come out of a trance I was under the impression they would either wake up in their own time, or fall into a natural sleep and then wake in the own time again. Is this not true?
What do you think happened that he had a girl convulsing and feinting a lot? Would that be an unknown mental disability he stumbled across? Or a drugs user? Or an epileptic? |
Nongard1 Special user 664 Posts |
I think.... you can't trust the reporting. Convulsions and fainting? Maybe maybe not. If so, unrelated to hypnosis, and perhaps histrionic or borderline personality disorder, and social factors created by an inexperienced hypnotist.
And you are correct, one will either go into a deep and natural sleep waking up in there own time or simply reorienting and becoming fully alert. There is no place else for the mind to go. Remote chance, but possible epilepsy, drugs or another medical condition, but unlikely. And again, if that were the case, it is again unrelated to hypnosis, just poor timing and bad luck on when the emergence of the condition manifests. I also think a hypnotist who lost control, and essentially let the teens decide what the repsonse to the chaos would be, creates an atmosphere where anything can happen. Not becasue of hypnosis per se but beacsue teens will respond based on a lack of exprience, misbeliefs and fears in rather hysterical ways, especially en mass.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
It is all related to hypnosis. Since the incedent occured during a hypnosis show.
However this is getting boring. If anyone wants to jump on stage after reading a book that's up to them. Its no wonder hypnosis suffers with credibility. Good luck Im off to do something more constructive with my time. |
TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
When you have a problem on a stage and you deal with it indecisively then you will end up with problems - just like this guy did. If you deal with it confidently and decisively then you will regain control of the situation, and there will be no headlines.
That's showbusiness, not hypnosis.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I see so what your saying its just indecision? It looked like to me it was ignorance and being ill prepared. Lets see what happens if/when something like this happens to you.
Its nothing to do with being decisive. Its about knowing HOW to handle the situation. I was saw an Irish hypnotist in the 80s in a full theatre do a past life regression. The girl went into a panic and screamed the place down. He couldn't stop her. He looked really stupid and was lucky it never escalated into something bigger. It was also very worrying for the girl on stage. Its so easy to blame members of the audience and not accept responsability for the people we have on stage. If you can't see the difference between doing a card trick and messing with the minds and emotions of the public then I really feel sorry for your clients. |
TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I saw the same hypnotist do the same regression bit a number of times. It always ends in screaming. Mindpunisher, you were had. Its a routine. A routine of a great pro, who knows exactly what he is doing. One of the best I have ever seen - and a thoroughly decent man who is always in control.
I bet they were talking about it afterwards.
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