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Hi Café Members All!

Just a quick one from me. I am working a routine which pretty much hinges on a REALLY good bluff reverse of a card. I have been attempting to poke around the available literature and have only found a couple of Marlo's Bluff Reverses that mildly appeal to me. I simply can't find a move that fits the routine! I have come across to major problems in my search.

Either ...

--> The move is too 'hokey/unnatural' OR
--> The sleight is knuckle-bustingly impractical.

Could my hardcore, paste-board loving brethren PLEASE point me in the direction of a Bluff Reverse that:

1. Looks natural and 'unforced'
2. Is readily available in literature that's EASY to ascertain (I'm from Aussie, so I don't have access to reams of grotty old lecture notes from the 50's like Yanks do Smile )
3. Doesn't require 37 double-jointed fingers to pull it off.

Cheers!
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What is a bluff reverse?

Is this something that LOOKS like a reverse, but isn't?

I'm guessing not.

What I assume (though I may be wrong) that you are looking for a way to reverse a single card in the center of the pack.

My suggestion? Marlo's Future Reverse. Too knuckle busting? Just practice some more!

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Thanks for the swift reply Ben. You're were bang on the dollar the first time. I do want to reverse a card. But that aint the ultimate goal. Smile

Apologies for any confusion, but the basic definition of what I term a 'bluff reverse' is where are card is seemingly turned over in the pack front of a spectator when in reality it is either:

1. Not turned over at all (IE: Sort of like the Tenkai Turnover Move) OR...
2. Is secretly reversed again, unbeknown to the spectator.

So, to rehash, the spectator sees a card reversed and assumes that it remains reversed for the remainder of the routine, when , in reality, it was never reversed at all.

Once again, sorry for the confusion.
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How about a two step process?

1. Reverse the card and do an overhand shuffle control to the bottom (or just pass it if it's not too knuckle-busting).

2. Then do a half-pass

Maybe the shuffle would mess up the rest of your routine though. That's the best my limited knowledge can come up with Smile

-Miles
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I see.

The Lar-reverse would work, if you need A card reversed (as opposed to a specific card).

Tommy Wonder has a method in his book (the salt trick?) that accomplishes what you want, with little fuss.

That's what I would use!

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I was going to mention Tommy Wonder's reverse that he came up with for his trick aptly titled Deja Reverse. Basically, what Ben said.
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I don't do card magic anymore (except occasionally for magic buddies), but here is the way I would straighten out a reversed card:


Dribble half the deck to the left hand, ask the participant to replace the card face-up, then under the cover of the dribbling the top half of the deck on top of the left hand talon, execute the Ego Change/Pugh Pass action thus bringing the reversed card to the bottom the right way up (after an All-Around Square-Up which needless to say is justified.)

OR..

Insert the card face-up into the face-down deck, then execute the DPS. Turn the deck over end for end (refer to Vernon's 'Revelations' for the best way to do so), then deliver the card in p*** to the back of the deck.

The second method may not be as well justified as the previous method, but it really doesn't take too much effort to get a way around this issue.

Good luck!
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Does the Wonder-reverse appear to turn over a face up card in a face down pack, while actually leaving it reversed? It has been a while since I played with this, so I may be mistaken
Shaun Mcree does a really easy false reverse on his effect 'Hypnosis' (although I can't remember the exact details) on the rather excellent set 'Mix n Mingle'.
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Thank you gentlemen for your valuable contributions to this topic. I've also had several PM's, so thanks to these people also! I will answer each of you:

@ milesg: This is what my initial thoughts were, but I thought I would ask for opinions. It was just rather interesting to see that there was a real lack of literature (or READILY available literature) in this area.

@ Ben Train and Jupiter: Of course!!!! Card College Volume 4. I'll have a look into that tonight! Cheers! I take it the Tommy Wonder move is in his books of wonder? If so, which volume?

@ Alel: It may be just me, but isn't the whole point of Pugh's Pass is that visual and highly noticeable? I thought it was used as a colour change.

@ Puggo: I own the set. I do remember the routine, but I'm pretty sure he utilised some kind of s**e s***l to achieve this. I was initially looking for a move that acted independently of any other sleight, but the lack of available literature is being a pain in the butt! Smile


Incidentally, I was mucking round this evening in an attempt to alleviate my exam-burdened brain when I chanced upon , what I consider, to be quite a devilish routine which revolves around a silly move I have not yet seen published. Link is included below (inc. disclaimer):

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=37&2


Cheers!
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On 2009-06-18 09:09, Chappo wrote:
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@ Alel: It may be just me, but isn't the whole point of Pugh's Pass is that visual and highly noticeable? I thought it was used as a colour change.

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Not necessarily. PM'ed you. Smile
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Chappo the Deja Reverse is in Tommy Wonder's volume I page 167.
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Cheers for the PM Alel. Thanks again for your time!

EDH, Thanks for providing that reference. Now I've just got to purchase them both! Only reason I haven't is that I hadn't been too sure on the card content.
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Pm me with your e mail address
I will send a demo of Shiego tekagi's han pien chen with cards.
\ this is a beautiful move that will reverse the selected card, alos have my own method I will share with you
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PM Sent Vinny. Thanks for the generous offer! Smile
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The 1st & the 2nd are practice... And the 3rd one is practice again


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Chappo send me you e mail address I have a solution for you I made a demo if it is what you want ill send a demo with the handling
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Awesome! PM and email addy sent!
The rules of a sleight of hand artist, Are three, and all others are vain,

The 1st & the 2nd are practice... And the 3rd one is practice again


- 'Magic of the Hands', Edward Victor (1940)
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