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On 2009-06-29 10:01, Domino Magic wrote:
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On 2009-06-29 07:22, Reuben Dunn wrote:

I am, for some odd reason, reminded of what former Senator Joseph McCarthy was once quoted as saying that he had a list of 1000 card-carrying communists who were in government service. He claimed at one point to have had that list in his brief case. President Truman was of the opinion that the only thing that was in the briefcase was a bottle of booze; the Senator was a well known lover of the strong drink.


Reuben - are you accusing me of drinking? Are you calling me a liar? You've really shown your true colors with that comment - no class.


Frankly Domino;

I'm accusing you of using the same tactics as that late senator, that of making specific accusations, yet when asked to provide proof, you suddenly take a higher moral ground. When pressed to show what it was he had in his brief case McCarthy took a similar high ground and promised to reveal the documentation in due course. He never did, and ended up looking extremely foolish on National Televsion. He received the most severe form of disicipline in the Senate.

You make accusations, e.g., "I have an identical board I bought for $10.00 at a toy store.." yet when pressed to be specfic, e.g., what manufacturer, what store., etc, you switch to a moral ground and write:

I'm sure he, like you, meant well, but in the end, he made statements that he could not/would not back up with proof, and the public saw him for what he was.

Here endith the U.S. History Lesson.


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No, I am not going to tell you where to obtain these boards. If this routine is putting food on the table for some of you and you support James Biss, then WHY would you NOT buy a back up from him? I can tell you that they are (or were) imported from China through a toy company in Toronto. Even though I am not a fan of Biss, I'm an ethical guy and I'm not going to reveal the source of these. You're asking me to expose this to prove that I'm right. I know that I'm right because I've held the boards next to each other. We're not just talking about the material - we're talking about the exact prop as it is from Biss.




Am "ethical guy" would not make accusations then clam up when asked to provide proof. BTY, if you don't want to publically reveal your sources, then PM me. If you're right in this, I'll pubically appoligse here and remain silent on the matter.
Good Thoughts.


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>>>Am "ethical guy" would not make accusations then clam up when asked to provide proof. BTY, if you don't want to publically reveal your sources, then PM me. If you're right in this, I'll pubically appoligse here and remain silent on the matter.<<<


Now we see the truth old Ruby wants cheap boards just for himself!
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On 2009-07-01 09:49, mindpunisher wrote:

Now we see the truth old Ruby wants cheap boards just for himself!


It's been interesting to see how many people sent me a pm asking for the resource. Some feel IMB is too expensive, others say they can't afford it, others want a back up prop. I've ignored everyone. And yes, it's apparent that Reuben wants a few cheap ones himself and he thinks he can "dare me" into giving up the goods.

Reuben, for some odd reason I'm reminded of when I was a kid, the school bully calling me chicken in order to get what he wanted.

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On 2009-06-30 19:13, Sebastian Black wrote:
A few index cards and some coin envelopes costs about 75 cents in a sationery store, and in the right hands a skilled performer can perform an evenings show with these few items.

Now the real question becomes, What's that kind of information worth to you ?

A working Pro will tell you that it's priceless, however others will tell you that it's 75 cents worth of paper.

Which are you ?

SB


It's funny that Sebastian has chimed in on this topic. I guess he hasn't been happy with my comments about Clearly Q&A, which his customers, Café members have been selling here for much less than the retail value. Several have told me once they saw how it worked, they figured they could make it themselves for less than $10 and get their money back on the CQA.

So to answer your question Sebastian, I am working pro.

I took a day to think about what I was going to do about this since several of you just DON'T GET IT! As I previously mentioned, out of the box, the toy is an IMB, so what I'm going to do is show you photos of the toy. I took photos of the toy with the previously mentioned alphabet around the frame of the hot side. I took photos of that board, as opposed to the white frame because I didn't want to be accused of taking a photo of the IMB.

Now I can't be exposing anything here because they are just photos of a $10 toy.

Front of toy:
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt67/DominoMagic/toy1.jpg

Close up of toy with impression:
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt67/DominoMagic/toy2.jpg

Back of toy: (this should look familiar to some of you)
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt67/DominoMagic/toy3.jpg

Mirror photo of toy showing front & back:
http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt67/DominoMagic/toy4.jpg

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On 2009-07-01 09:17, Reuben Dunn wrote:

Am "ethical guy" would not make accusations then clam up when asked to provide proof. BTY, if you don't want to publically reveal your sources, then PM me. If you're right in this, I'll pubically appoligse here and remain silent on the matter.


I'm still not giving up the sources for this, so stop asking. If you're an ethical guy, then you will buy these from Biss OR better yet, ASK HIM where he gets them from.

Oh, Reuben - I'll take that apology now.
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>>>Anyone that suggests that the IMB, the world's most popular design duplication prop for stage, is just a $10 dollar "toy" or a "rip-off" of something else is sadly misinformed<<<

I'll give Biss 10 out of 10 for consistency for sure!

But would you buy a second hand car from the man?
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On 2009-07-01 12:03, mindpunisher wrote:
>>>Anyone that suggests that the IMB, the world's most popular design duplication prop for stage, is just a $10 dollar "toy" or a "rip-off" of something else is sadly misinformed<<<

I'll give Biss 10 out of 10 for consistency for sure!

But would you buy a second hand car from the man?


That's just the point. He's not in the car business.

Who here doesn't understand business 101 raise your mouse?

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John,

It's also good business not to lie. What Biss should have done is to admit it BUT also defended it.

'Yes, it's a $10 toy and I get them for less, but I also include a special marker, all the necessary items & killer routine that transforms this "toy" into one of the most devious drawing duplication devices on the market'

That would be good business. Denying it is, well, as mindpunisher put it - consistent for Biss.
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Again who does not understand business 101?

Is that what a product manufacturer does? Do they let everyone know the cost of the item then try and justify it with why it holds value. No, that's not how it works in the business world I understand.

I have a product, it's valuable to some. Do you you want it? No? Then move on and find something you do want. What's the point in harasing a company because you don't like the item they manufacture. What if you later find it for less $$? Has THAT ever happened to you? Now if you buy it then have a problem with it? Yes? Ok, now harass the manufacturer.

Who goes to Walmart and says, "Hey, you made this cheap in China, and you're selling it for a lot more than you paid for it. That's not fair!" Most of us don't do that. We determine if it has value to us and if it does we buy it. If not we go to Target or Sam's Club (which has the same stuff, heh, heh)

I don't GET this negative attitude towards an individual. What's the point? Sure you can say, "I think his product is a piece of ****." That's certainly fair. I've done it.

But just to sit on their chest until their lungs collapse, really what's the point. Some of you all seemed to have come to your own conclusions on whether or not someone lied? Judge, jury, lawyers...where's Pilate?

Enough on that. I have to go and get my Palm read. I hope the person who does it didn't learn from one of those Palmistry Made Easy PDFS!! 'Cause that would be cheating. Unless they are a REAL Psychic ...

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The first time I used James Biss' IMB I made way more than what I paid for it. $10 or $60, I adapted James' Q & A routine from Mind Blowing and made several times more than $60 with one performance. Value for money - yes!
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If $60 it's too much I don't know what to say when you buy a $10,000 prop (that you can make for $3000 or less) and you still can't perform it without spending more money (rehearse time, clothes, etc, etc...)

$60 it's a bargain if you do shows imho

Daghank it seems that James will relaunch it so stay tuned Smile
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What you ALL are missing is this. The IMP board never made you a penny. You see what made you money was SELLING the show not actually doing it.

If you want to make serious money in any field then come to the conclusion that we are marketers of mentalism first and performers second. What is the difference between those that earn big bucks and those that struggle? Well in many cases its not talent its the ability to sell shows at higher fees.

And a prop will never sell anything. Infact Biss is a great example of fo someone who has marketed a $10 toy for more than five times the price. Of course if you paid that much psychological principles of consistancy dictate that you must find reasons to be happy no matter what.

But be clear it was the selling of A show that made you the money. You could have had any number of effects or props of which wouldn't matter.

Stop deluding yourselves please.
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What you're also missing is that Sven made a comment about this being a toy.

Derek disputed that remark.

I backed it up AND proved it.

I never said don't buy it and in fact showed where the value of it may be.
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>>>I never said don't buy it and in fact showed where the value of it may be.<<<

Ok now show us where to get one.Or I might come up with some silly story about an old british politician who lied - to bully you! Don't test me !

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I had to invest in a show to have something to sell. The IMB plays a pivotal role in the latter part of the show. It was part of an investment which I am now making money from.
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On 2009-07-01 12:52, johncesta wrote:

I don't GET this negative attitude towards an individual. What's the point? Sure you can say, "I think his product is a piece of ****." That's certainly fair. I've done it.

But just to sit on their chest until their lungs collapse, really what's the point. Some of you all seemed to have come to your own conclusions on whether or not someone lied? Judge, jury, lawyers...where's Pilate?



John,

I think that's a fair question. And I guess it comes down to getting back what you put out. It's a two-fold scenario with Biss. The first is his outright theft of other performer's material. It's been gone over in other threads, but it's there.

The other is his negative attitude towards mentalists. He slams them in his recent book. Now I guess you could make the argument "who would blame him" for what is said about him here, but all of that negativity comes back to the fact he took material that wasn't his.

What I don't get is why some of you guys support him when some very well known names have come on here to post and explain what material was taken.
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On 2009-07-01 14:52, Domino Magic wrote:
What you're also missing is that Sven made a comment about this being a toy.

Derek disputed that remark.

I backed it up AND proved it.

I never said don't buy it and in fact showed where the value of it may be.


I think I was commenting on the fact that calling it a toy under-valued it's worth.

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What I don't get is why some of you guys support him when some very well known names have come on here to post and explain what material was taken.


What I don't know is why you're supporting him, allowing him to do what he's doing with the imb. he should sell the booklet surely, but as far as the board, you should say where you've seen it.
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I have done some searching on the internet myself and did indeed find the board from the above foto's for §8,95 (discounted) Of course these boards are supplied without the routines and they are used as an educative item to teach kids how to read. This info may help you in finding the boards yourself. By the way, you could by the magnetic surface seperatly for £55 for 30 boards.

Thank you Domino for pointing this out. But this doesn't mean that I agree to the argument about the IMB being a rip-off.
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Isn't the internet a wonderful thing? So all of you asking where to get one, learn how to search the internet and all the wonders of the world are yours for the asking. It's just like using the search function on The Café, which some never did get the hang of.

And by the way, I never said this was a rip-off. I didn't say it wasn't, but I didn't say it was.
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Found them also - 8 bucks.
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I must say I wonder why in Mind Blowing James Biss explains the origins of his tesla vision, gives a great resource for a digital device that can be used for preshow work and his commercial White Tagger, but keeps refering to the magnetophoric principle of his IMB. By now we all now that using the search term 'magnetophoric' in google results in almost nothing. Using the right terms, opens a world of possibilities.

For the record, I think Mind Blowing is an excellent book. But the lie about the chinese Umpa Loopa's is a bit disapointing.
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