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Zectron2348 New user 38 Posts |
This show was broadcast again tonight on NBC.
Below is a listing of the sponsors who advertised during the broadcast. Would be nice if a few thousand of us wrote to these clowns and let them know that we intend to boycott their products due to the possible damage done to our industry. It really does not matter if you think this show did any damage or not. If we do not stop it NOW, it will only continue and get worse. The list is: Subway Iames Cat Food Dr. Pepper Quaker Oat Meal Chevrolet (4 ads) Cadillac Playtex Pizza Hut Paul Mitchell Hair Care Products Priceline . com Dominos Pizza Fiber Choice Home Depot Hanes Sears Kia Fancy Feast Cat Food Clariol (Nice & Easy Hair Color) Pepsi Tropicana Orange Juice Round Up Weed Killer 10/10/987 Long Distance Phone Service Safeway Supermarkets (Local)
"THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL US, ONLY MAKES US STRONGER."
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Tripwire New user 76 Posts |
As long as these shows are cheap to produce and get ratings, writing to the sponsors isn't going to do much at all.
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ddyment Inner circle Gibsons, BC, Canada 2499 Posts |
Another issue is that most of the sponsors are not sponsoring the show per se; they are merely buying advertising time with the local station. Viewers in other parts of the country saw different advertisers, as signed by their local stations.
Making a big deal about these kinds of shows is exactly what their producers are hoping for. Making them seem controversial only provides additional ammunition to the creators, thus generating more of them. The best tactic is simply to ignore them... the more people treat them as inconsequential, the less attractive they will appear to the stations that book them. And trust me: a week after this show aired, the vast majority of its audience will have forgotten the important details of what they saw. Any competent psychic entertainer should be able to work around it. ... Doug
The Deceptionary :: Elegant, Literate, Contemporary Mentalism ... and More :: (order "Calculated Thoughts" from Vanishing Inc.)
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Tim Trono Inner circle 1114 Posts |
I agree 100% with Doug. By raising a stink and creating publicity/discussion we would be falling into EXACTLY what they want. I would STRONGLY recommend following Doug's advice.
Tim Trono |
hkwiles Special user Howard Wiles 797 Posts |
Doug you're right ,
As I said on an earlier posting- only those really interested will watch the program and take it in. I'm not interested in cooking so I don't make a point of watching cooking programs.If I do watch one then within minutes of the show finishing I have forgotten all the recipes, method etc.same will apply to these program viewers. Howard |
CardFan Elite user Found the Socks ! 430 Posts |
So many other more important stuff to boycott...But I understand your concerns.
Aiming to become the only magician in the world that has ever produced the lost socks back from the dryer...
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RandomEffects Veteran user Boston, MA 323 Posts |
Doug has it right. ignore these shows and they will go away, and besides i guarntee that you could do every routine from theat show in two weeks and no one would no hows it was done. People want to know but they don't remember.
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xicepik Regular user Montréal 117 Posts |
I've read something about Exposure in Magic and Showmanship. I don't say that it's my opinion, but it's interesting :
"Conjurers who protest against exposure usually do so on the ground that once a trick has been exposed, it can no longer be presented successfully. This is questionable. Most laymen either do not learn of exposures or promptly forget them. [...] Furthermore, by making some small change in his method, a conjurer can fool those who know the original [trick]. A famliar trick has a built-in interest. The informed spectator watches for the device he knows so that he can feel superior. Then, when it becomes obvious that the usual procedure is ruled out, he is more deeply puzzled than if he had no idea of the secret in the first place. Sawing a woman in half is a good example. The early methods required putting the girl in a box and sawing through th ebox. When someone discovered a way to eliminate the box, people familiar with the old devices were more astonished than those who had never seej the trick before. Cases like this have led some to assert that exposure is good for conjuring because it forces performers to invent new ways of achieving their effects. These arguments, both pro and con, miss the main point. If we wish to create an illusion, it is not enough to conceal the particular device used; we must condeal the fact that any device exists. [...] From this standpoint, exposure is undoubtedly harmful. Every time a person sees a trick exposed, he becomes less apt to suspend disbelief and more apt to concentrate on trying to detect the devices. This prevents him from fully appreciating the entertainment. It also increases the chance that he will see through the next routine." It's interesting.. what do you think? |
Jordan Piper Veteran user British Columbia, Canada 309 Posts |
I don't think this show was meant to put psychic entertainers out of business. Its purpose was to expose those fradulent psychics who bilk hundreds of dollars from unsuspecting schills who so despratley want to believe in such things as being able to talk to dead loved ones.
Its one thing to show an audience that you can bend a spoon with your mind but is another to give them false hopes to be able to communicate with departed loved ones and charge them good money to do it. |
Jim Reynolds Elite user Special Guest 431 Posts |
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On 2003-05-27 23:24, thekernel wrote: You sound like a James Randi follower thekernel, but I won't hold it against you I know what you are saying, but going after "fradulent psychics" does not justify exposure on national television. jr |
Zectron2348 New user 38 Posts |
Interesting responses.
Last evening the public was shown how we use m******, IT, mechanical devices, stooges, manipulate props, .....da da, da da, da da. There is no justifiable reason for these things being taught to the public. NONE! My son is a producer in the entertainment industry, producing comedy club shows. He tells me that YES advertisers do care about public opinion regarding the shows they ALLOW their products to be slotted for. Negative response does have an impact, if the response is in sufficient quantity. Bottom line, it is a tool which could be used, but it is up to you to use it. The information provided in the original post of this thread was intended for those who still believe in the old code of magic. Those who believe magic is an art to be practiced to perfection, performed with excellence, and it's secrets protected. If you do not believe in those things then roll the dice,do nothing, and hope for the best. As for me, I have always been one who speaks his peace and is not afraid to take action to support my convictions. Enough said.
"THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL US, ONLY MAKES US STRONGER."
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Jordan Piper Veteran user British Columbia, Canada 309 Posts |
I do believe that magic for entertainment puropses should have its principles of secrecy upheld, but fake pshycis for profit is not magic and when they run cons to cheat people out of money they deserve to be exposed for what they are.
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ESP Guy Regular user Falls View, Vermont 137 Posts |
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On 2003-05-27 23:24, thekernel wrote: Kernel, dude, you are soooooo off base. This special's purpose was one thing and one thing only: exposing the methods of legitimate psychic entertainers to make a fast buck. Listen... can't you hear the 30 pieces of silver as they ring in the ears of those professional ENTERTAINERS who support their families and make a living with their craft?! This show was meant to "save" no one! It was just to line the pockets of Mark Edward and the other Judas's. Thom |
mysticz Special user D.C. metro area 680 Posts |
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On 2003-05-28 14:38, thekernel wrote: I doubt that "fake psychics" "run cons to cheat people out of money" using add-a-no pads and the amazing folding dollar bill. This special was entirely a cheap, third-rate exposure show featuring hack actors and a lame "professional mentalist." Exposure of conjuring principles and methodologies does nothing to disillusion believers or disarm con artists. All it does is screw working performers. Joe Z.
Joe Zabel
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Andy Leviss Inner circle NYC 1179 Posts |
As Doug and others so well put it, ignoring it is the best solution in this case. If the magic community had just let things be after the first "Masked Magician" show, there wouldn't have been so many of them.
All the outcry from magicians brought so much publicity that Fox would have been stupid not to do more. They knew that as soon as they announced a sequel, magicians would be up in arms and the increased publicity would get even more viewers. The magic community as a whole only has itself to blame for the fact that there were so many of them; the complainers made things so much worse than if they'd just let it be.
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ELS Regular user Chicagoland area, IL 191 Posts |
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On 2003-05-27 23:24, thekernel wrote: Hi kernel, #1 - majority of the show was based on the entertainer (performing in front of a group). #2 - As far as = psychics who bilk hundreds of dollars from unsuspecting schills who so despratley want to believe, in such things as being able to talk to dead loved ones. Hmmmm - seems like anyone can surf the cable TV channels and come across preachers claiming to be able to talk to even a higher person then a dead loved one, heal with a touch of their hand, cast out the devil with an on the spot exorcism (LOL wonder who's writing their bizzare lines). It was a very hard slam you made in your comment, so what do you feel is bilking people of their money? And is it bilking if the psychic brought a closer to the individual's pain of a loss? It's a gray subject matter, I personally felt the person hiding under the table writing on the slate was a bit far fetched, like the producers were reaching. Ed
Were the border between the natural and the supernatural will be nothing any more but fuzzy. http://edwardshanahan.com
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Jim Reynolds Elite user Special Guest 431 Posts |
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I was refering to those who claim to make contact with the dead and charge people money for it. That is the part of the show I felt was right by exposing it. thekernel, I think you are missing the point. One does not expose 'fake psychics' by exposing methods used by mentalist/psychic entertainers. If you think people are crazy to pay someone to contact a dead loved one, then fine. Just know that it is your personal opinion. 'Saving' people from their own beliefs is both presumptuous and futile. Mass exposure is wrong. Regardless of the motivation. JR |
mystic1 Veteran user 342 Posts |
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On 2003-05-27 23:24, thekernel wrote: Do you think exploitative charlatans rely on what was exposed? This was no documentary on curse removal, bank scams, etc. Quote:
On 2003-05-27 23:24, thekernel wrote: You may not like John Edward, and I can certainly understand you or anyone else regarding Sylvia Browne as cruel and exploitative, but how can you tar not only mediums as a group but people whose spiritual beliefs include communication with the dead. I'm not a spiritualist but I have relatives who are, and they are otherwise very traditional in their adherence to mainstream religious beliefs. How can you slam someone else's spirituality? For that matter, why is it any more incredible that it might be possible to talk with the dead than it is to believe that a God exists at all? And why would not such a God, if He exists (and I hope he does!) make communication with those in His paradise possible to his followers still living? At a time when we are all supposed to have learned greater tolerance about accepting different religious beliefs, you should know better than to be judgmental in such matters. Respect believers and beliefs of all religions, including spiritualism. |
tboehnlein Inner circle ohio 1787 Posts |
After watching this show I can Not wait till the next time I do my version of death trap & someone yells out "hey I know how that is done" "ok great come on up & do it for everyone" wait till they see I have nothing gaffed 7 do it blindfolded, ha.
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Jordan Piper Veteran user British Columbia, Canada 309 Posts |
Well I had a feeling my opinion on this subject wouldn't garner much support but that's what's great about this nation is that you can speak your mind and have people say no way you are so wrong. I was not trying to be judgemental of religious beliefs nor paint all psychics with the same brush and once again I apologize if that's how it came off. Let us all just agree to disagree.
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