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TheNightBringer89
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Hey friends,

I've heard a lot of talk about festival "crashing" on this forum but have not been able to gather too much info on it. Searching previous posts and trying to piece together the little information I found, this is what I think busking a festival consists of:

Finding a festival (Art? Jazz? Food? Anything goes I assume?) that does not charge admission so it is public and not private. Setting up in the festival far enough away from booked acts so as not to interfere, and setting up a reasonable distance from vendors and controlling the crowd from congesting that area.

If anyone could offer more detailed advice, do's and do not's etc. or reccomend some publications on the subject that would be great.

Thanks a lot guys.
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One thing to consider is that even in cities who magnanimously "allow" street performing will often have specific municipal codes prohibiting street performing at various festivals.
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I just got booted from an art festival in KC about a month ago. Apparently some of the oil, pen & ink artists were jealous of performing artists drawing crowds. The boss lady told me I could perform in the childrens area. I declined. I don't get paid enough to baby sit. 1st time that ever happened.
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This whole concept of crashing a festival is something I've always wondered about.

Why not just get booked to begin with?
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On 2009-06-28 00:56, RobertBloor wrote:
This whole concept of crashing a festival is something I've always wondered about.

Why not just get booked to begin with?


wrong room, mate.
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Why not get booked? obviously that is the better route to go. however you don't always get in. the reason to crash a festival is you need to work and you are not booked. I have done it many times successfully and many times not successfully. If you are asked to leave, do not fight it cooperate. crashing a festival is a gamble. I would not worry about setting up away from places. if people see you in the middle of things they are more likly to think you are supposed to be there. how ever, vendors will be the first to complain so WATCH YOUR CROWDS. Don't use lines some people will find as offensive. you do not want to give anybody reason to complain. Go out of your way to make friends with those around you. Set up near a booth that has something to pass out. then pitch them in your show direct some traffic to them. If they see an increase in traffic at there booth the will quickly become your ally. Talk with them first. Remember this is a gamble in my exprience it is about 50/50. Remember try to book your self first though. Do not try to book your self as a street performer you will get a quick "no". Call the festival committee about 6 months or more before the festival. talk to them about being an entertainer. this will be your pitch to them. when a festival books stage entertainment they pay them big money and over half the people at the festival will not see the act. What you do is a much better value. Your charge will be less (a flat fee). By repeating your smaller act over and over more people at the festival will see your act than the stage act. Remember to tell them the smaller fee can be offset by collecting tips. Even this will not work every time. however if you are crashing the festival your chances will be much better if it is a street festival, not a festival in a park or on a festival grounds.
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On 2009-06-28 09:23, ray raymond wrote:
Why not get booked? obviously that is the better route to go. however you don't always get in. the reason to crash a festival is you need to work and you are not booked. I have done it many times successfully and many times not successfully. If you are asked to leave, do not fight it cooperate. crashing a festival is a gamble. I would not worry about setting up away from places. if people see you in the middle of things they are more likly to think you are supposed to be there. how ever, vendors will be the first to complain so WATCH YOUR CROWDS. Don't use lines some people will find as offensive. you do not want to give anybody reason to complain. Go out of your way to make friends with those around you. Set up near a booth that has something to pass out. then pitch them in your show direct some traffic to them. If they see an increase in traffic at there booth the will quickly become your ally. Talk with them first. Remember this is a gamble in my exprience it is about 50/50. Remember try to book your self first though. Do not try to book your self as a street performer you will get a quick "no". Call the festival committee about 6 months or more before the festival. talk to them about being an entertainer. this will be your pitch to them. when a festival books stage entertainment they pay them big money and over half the people at the festival will not see the act. What you do is a much better value. Your charge will be less (a flat fee). By repeating your smaller act over and over more people at the festival will see your act than the stage act. Remember to tell them the smaller fee can be offset by collecting tips. Even this will not work every time. however if you are crashing the festival your chances will be much better if it is a street festival, not a festival in a park or on a festival grounds.
good luck
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Still just doesn't make any sense to me.

The reason you didn't get in was because
A) They don't like you
B) They don't need you
C) They can't afford you
D) They got someone better than you

If you're not getting booked and NEED to get booked maybe you need...
A) To look at your price
B) To look at your show
C) To look at your promo
D)
E)
F)

This is just a foreign concept to me.
The festival tells you NO so you show up anyway.

Reeks of desperation to me.
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Robert,
you are absolutly corect. I agree with you 100%. I have never crashed a festival that has told me no. It is also Not a regular practice for me any more. I prefer to get booked and often do. I just got done working a festival this weekend I was booked for. That was somthing I did when I was just getting my feet wet with street performing ( all though compared to a lot of people I am still wet behind the ears, and I understand that I still have a lot to learn) However I was just answering the question that was asked. At the time I was trying to get exprience the best way I could since I do not live near a pitch.

I do respect your opinion, you have been at this a lot longer than I have.
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Well I'm sure laws vary from state to state and city to city on such things, from the viewpoint of someone who puts on an annual Greek Festival, you would be invited off the property by our hired police officers. We allow no outside vendors or entertainers, even though we have no entrance fee, and since it is on private property it is not a "public" event but a private one and you can be invited to leave. Always best to get permission first, if they don't want you , they are going to get rid of you, so why waste your time? Get their permission and then you don't have to worry.
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I crashed two festivals in one day...that was actually now yesterday.

I just blended in and went to work, like I was supposed to be there.
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On 2009-06-28 14:22, RobertBloor wrote:
This is just a foreign concept to me.


that's because you're not a busker.

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The festival tells you NO so you show up anyway.


That's when you get the police called on you.

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Reeks of desperation to me.


I am not desperate. To me it's the sweet fragrance of freedom. The right to come and go as I please.
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Hi Gaddy
I like the way you think, we covered this during the School of Busking.
This is a huge market but you have to know what your doing and how to approach it.
Mario
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I fringed the Ottawa Buskers Festival one year. I had tried really hard to get accepted, but no luck. But when the time came I was in the area, so I thought why not give it a try?

So on Day 1 I picked out a good spot on the fringe and went to work.

After 3 shows a guy approached me. He asks me how come I'm not working inside the festival boundries. I say it's because I was refused this year due to overbooking. He asks do I know the busking co-ordinator. I say sure, he's a friend of mine, but he still had no extra room for me this year. The guy says, well I'm your friends boss. I'm the festival promoter. And I want you to pack up and come with me because I'm sure we can find you a place inside. And he did. In fact I was given my own private spot for the entire festival and never had to share or rotate.

And on Monday when the local newspaper did its big festival write-up, a (very cool) pic of my show was the only one used. It was a great article and I still have it. I guess Mr Bloor would have missed out, but I had the time of my life.
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Chance,

I wouldn't have missed out since I would have already been booked. ;-)

I suppose if you guys are talking strictly open festivals that are on public property, that's one thing. But I've seen state fairs and gates/paid admission festivals crashed before and that indeed reeks of desperation.

So I'll meet you half way on the public property/no-gate festival.
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Maybe so, but you would have been on rotation with everyone else. The promoter made sure I got a plum space all to myself. Kinda puts on it's head the idea that promoters hate this kind of thing, doesn't it? And being the only pic in the Ottawa Sun was just icing on the cake. In reality, the people who hate it most are people like you who can't stand the thought of serious competition.

And for your information, state or county fairs ARE public events, and are required by law to provide proper FREE space for a busker when notified, even when a gate fee is charged. You'd know all this stuff if you studied half as much as you bloviate.

I've said it before: we buskers have AMAZING rights that most of us know nothing about, and the government generally wants it to stay that way. Education is the best thing we can do, even if it only happens in some tiny corner of the internet called The Sidewalk Shuffle.
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On 2009-06-29 14:04, Chance wrote:
Maybe so, but you would have been on rotation with everyone else. The promoter made sure I got a plum space all to myself. Kinda puts on it's head the idea that promoters hate this kind of thing, doesn't it? And being the only pic in the Ottawa Sun was just icing on the cake. In reality, the people who hate it most are people like you who can't stand the thought of serious competition.

And for your information, state or county fairs ARE public events, and are required by law to provide proper FREE space for a busker when notified, even when a gate fee is charged. You'd know all this stuff if you studied half as much as you bloviate.

I've said it before: we buskers have AMAZING rights that most of us know nothing about, and the government generally wants it to stay that way. Education is the best thing we can do, even if it only happens in some tiny corner of the internet called The Sidewalk Shuffle.


Chance,

Serious competition? haha What do you make on a good hat pass? $100 $150? If you were serious competition you'd be making $7,000.00 - $10,000.00 or more to work a fair rather than passing the hat for penance.

Required by law? hahah Keep telling yourself that. Since you've studied and are so amazingly educated, by all means go ahead and give us a statute rather than just running your mouth.

Come on out to the New Mexico State Fair and pass the hat. I dare you. We can finish discussing bloviating after you are criminally trespassed from the property by NM State Police.

Robert
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Dude, you really need to step back and take a deep breath. Having a pi**ing contest only really works *if* your equipment really is bigger than mine.

You're so sure I'm wrong, and you're such a big earner on campus, then challenge me to a $10,000 wager on the matter. That's peanuts to you, right? And besides, I'm wrong and you're right, right? What have you got to lose?

And by the time I've collected on it, you'll have learned the difference between federal and state statute, as well as federal precedent and how it relates to the 1st Amendment.

Because all I need to show is that someone sued a government agency in the recent past alleging that their rights were infringed upon, and that the courts agreed with the claim and commanded that agency to co-operate and do as they were asked in the first place. That's considered winning in these types of matters. And it creates a thing called precedent, which anyone else can then use to show they had the same type of discrimination and demand the same type of redress.

To be even more precise, to take your money all I need to show is that someone sued a state or county fair board in federal court for infringing on their 1st Amendment rights, and that the board lost and was commanded to co-operate by the courts.

I can do just that. You will lose. You have lost already.

Still want to play this game? Still think you're fighting an unarmed man?

You go on spouting how fat your checkbook is. Maybe someone here will be impressed, just don't think it will be me.
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Chance,

Am I irritating you?
And since you brought it up, I'm sure my equipment is bigger than yours. hahaha

This is ridiculous.
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You've got nothing to lose except your diginity. Sorry, too late.
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[Interrupts]

As a muse, I used to enjoy doing this in Europe whenever I happened upon a festival...especially Octoberfest. Nobody ever said boo to me...probably because American musicians are revered over there...

[Ok...back to the fight]
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