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Nate The Magician
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Hi there-
On the matter of Festival Crashing, I'd say that the most important thing is to be quiet. I've crashed my fair share of events and I've found that most festivals don't care what you're doing so long as you're not getting in their way.
Do: Be respectful, have business cards, dress like the people at the festival will, have a hat constantly in front of the table for trickle tips, be polite, be good at what you do.
Don't: bring the amp, shout, bang on things, insult people, generally act like Gazzo.

People at festivals want to have fun and are much more likely to tip big. People who run festivals don't mind having another entertainer- especially one that costs them nothing- as long as said entertainer is not distracting/annoying their guests from what their guests are going to the festival for.
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On 2013-12-20 22:22, RiffRaff wrote:
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On 2013-12-20 19:17, ROBERT BLAKE wrote:
Two kinds of street performers:
1) the street performer that only performs when he is booked.
2) the street performer that is going through the world and enjoys his freedom and performs where ever he lays his hat.

You forgot one:
3) the street performer that only exists on "the side walk shuffle."

good point.
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Smile this is funny...

There's ALOT of bad advice in this thread...
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Although, I've not posted in this thread, what I find funny is that Bobby Maverick comes
here to mock everyone and show contempt instead of offering his "Sage" advice? Tsk, Tsk...
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I know that where I live and busk most festivals are well organized. They have off duty cops (in uniform with guns) strolling about. If you crash one of these big events at the least you will be asked to leave and the worst arrested for trespassing. I have seen it happen.

To add to that, I have busked the biggest, busiest, festivals that Atlanta has to offer. All I did was email the festival director, tell them I wanted to busk and they said sure. They give me a badge so the cops don't bother me, they give me a meal ticket just like the paid vendors get, and sometimes they even advertise me on their website.

Some say it's better to ask forgiveness than permission. My experience has shown me that in Atlanta no festival is going to say no to free entertainment. I know one festival organizer that lets a couple of musicians come to busk and sell CDs without charging them a vendor fee. I don't know why anyone would want to "CRASH" a festival like this and possibly lose the opportunity to ever work these great events with permission.
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Well phrased, mature response Magician Shaun.
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I've advocated crashing festivals many times, but only when traveling and then as a serendipitous opportunity (see Sieze the Opportunity to Lead a Goat Astray).

I wouldn't make a habit out of it as it would make for a dismal career otherwise.

Best to charge a healthy fee up front. That way everybody gets what they deserve.


Still, I am curious as to what advice given here is bad in bobby's eyes.
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Performing on the street is great fun and it gives you an opportunity to learn how to do magic and entertain people. it seams that crashing a festival is a dirty word here. I don't know the background of everybody but for me streetshows means freedom. do what you want when you want it. when I started out in 1990 it was all what I had. go out and have fun, learn magic, learn how to deal with audiences. I have learned more from my streetshows than from any magician I know. that is what I like the freedom.

from those experiences I got engagements and moved on to the more payed festivals. which gives peace, not to have to do it. but those beginning years are, and where, important. nowadays the novice says how do I get the money? and does not what to pay his dues in learning the crafsmanship. this is what makes crashing a festival so interesting. you get the possibility to learn and deal with the situations. if you have the best show possible and you are having fun and are free you make the money nessecary.

street magic is freedom.
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I agree Robert...

How can you be a "street magician" if you feel guilty about crashing a festival?

This place is a joke.

Posted: Dec 25, 2013 07:59 am
Feliz navidad
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People's sense of entitlement is mind boggling to me. Your freedom shouldn't infringe on anyone else's. When you exercise your freedom by crashing a festival you are disrupting someone's hard work and saying that you are more important than they are.

The festival spent money advertising, organizing things, and time planning. The fact that you want to crash it isn't you exercising freedom. It's you stealing from the people that are there legitimately. By that logic Walmart has stuff I need. Is it exercising my freedom to load up a buggy and leave without paying for it?

Do you people even hear yourselves finding ways to justify your actions? This is why so many places are trying to regulate buskers.
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Nobody here is talking about infringing on anybody's rights that I can see. Like your post about nails and cuticles, you're citing straw men Shaun.

Most of the festivals I've crashed were elated that I was there. And those that weren't, I quickly made my exit, happily shaking the dust from my feet as I left.
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On 2013-12-22 11:58, Bobby Maverick wrote:
:) this is funny...

There's ALOT of bad advice in this thread...


I think if you're going to make a statement like this, you should clarify exactly what the bad advice was.
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If the festival organizers are happy with your presence at a festival then I would say there is no problem. Eric remember that not everyone is a great performer and some shows are just 20 minutes of hat lines with aggressive hatting bordering on strong arm robbery. Those guys cause trouble for everyone and they do exist.
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..and when festivals run into one, it makes it difficult for everyone else as they assume the NEXT person showing up will be the same.
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I suspect that if I began a thread about the benefits of starting a logging industry on Mars, all of the space cadets would jump out of the wood-work (so to speak) and proclaim their expertise on the matter.
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On 2013-12-29 23:04, RiffRaff wrote:
I suspect that if I began a thread about the benefits of starting a logging industry on Mars, all of the space cadets would jump out of the wood-work (so to speak) and proclaim their expertise on the matter.


Pretty much
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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Riff Raff

Let me tell you about my logging experience.

I made 4 million dollars in one day logging the Sahara Forrest. Now before anyone with less logging experience questions my GREAT logging experience and points out its the Sahara Desert not Sahara Forrest. Let me say IT IS NOW!!!
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See, it's people like you who are ruining the world through your indescriminate logging.

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You're right Eric, I should have elaborated.



Peter is full of it.


Nuff said?
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Festival Crashing to be or not to be seems to be the debate hear.
I have had some great times crashing festivals, but I am reading some misconceptions hear. I don't think you should chuck the baby out with the bath warter.
Their are countless of Festivals through out the world and every one of them have a different Ethos to another just like people
In short we need to ask first of what kind of festival and what kind of busker.

A lot of Festivals have a long history and many grew from a gathering of traders and traveling show folk buskers.
For example in Spain their are over 3500 festivals each year.
They are called Ferries they can range from small villages to huge city events. To get permission to work this well good luck. I mean good luck trying to find out who is in charge. This is clear rock up and role out your shows and if the hats are good and the Police leave you alone keep working it. This is the way it is. To make some kind of rule out of and say no festival crashing is short sighted. At events like this your not stepping on any ones toes. Festivals that are free public events community events if their any good will have buskers rocking up to them. A major example of this will be the Edinburgh fringe or just Fringe festivals. On the other hand you have festivals you have to pay to get in, this to me is another bag. You see at some festivals it could be even considered the norm.

Now what kind of busker would this appeal to. In my mind we are talking the real deal traveling old school kind of busker. One who wont be caring what others think. Main objective to seek fame and fortune, the kind of busker who will go where no busker has gone before. The kind who loves the challenge to discover new pitches. They will go from place to place, city to city and some cases festival to festival. This kind of busker you can learn from.
Hope that helps
Mario
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