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mystre71 Inner circle martinsburg west virginia 1693 Posts |
Walk around coin box work check it out here https://www.magicalmystries.com/products
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CardWiz Special user Charleston, SC 626 Posts |
Wow, that is truly amazing.
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In fact, O’Brien now makes his living traveling the world, remembering things. CW
People have been calling me "Yu" lately. I don't know, must be Chinese.
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
That's quite impressive!
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Cohiba Special user Michigan 749 Posts |
I was going to say "what a waste of time". Except that he does it for a living, so I guess it wasn't!
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Back No 67 New user 87 Posts |
I've read about him before. Harry Lorayne also has some good memory techniques in his books. I use them while studying at uni
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
So does O'Brien. HL.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
Of course Dominic's system is based on much older work than Harry's. For example, Quintilian's Institutio Oratoria, published AD 95, which probably predates your techniques, explained the use of memory palaces. Not only that, Quintilian didn't claim originality, which would make the techniques even older.
I do imagine that if you base your techniques on this, and so does Dominic, you can loosely claim he's using your technique, but that's not a direct hereditary link, so to speak. Unless you have some evidence that the Dominic system is directly based on something of yours? I'd be interested in that. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
I mention the "loci" method, dating back to ancient Greek civilization in a number of my books. And always say how OUT OF DATE it is. Wonderful for the time, not for now. I suggest you do your own research - for example, giving numbers shape - go to my first book (How To Develop A Super-Power Memory - 1956; probably before Dominic was born - but I did give him a book title which he uses) chapter titled "Some Pegs For Emergiencies" - and see 1- pencil, 2-swan, 3-clover, etc. And note that I mention that this is "for emergencies" - it IS NOT the way to really remember numbers of any size; length, etc. Anyway, not very important in the general scheme of things - but as I said, you may want to do your own research of my thirteen or fourteen books on the subject. Best - HARRY LORAYNE. (PS: If you go to memoryimprovement.com you'll see that I talk about the early systems of memory training, including Quintilian.)
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
All very good, but how does that add up to Dominic O'Brien using your particular system?
Or again are you tying the two because they are similar, not because Mr O'Brien ever used your techniques from your books? This is what I am curious about. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
It's called "riding on someone else's coattails." An example - using How To Develop A Perfect Memory when a book titled, How To Develop A Super-Power Memory was advertised all over the world for years and sold over 8 million copies. Anyway, as I suggested before, I think you ought to do your own research if you're interested. I'm not. Best - HARRY L.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
All right. No proof either way but you'd like me to buy your books. Understandable.
I don't see that Dominic ever mentionned that he learned from your books or your demonstrations. Considering the long history behind techniques such as these, saying that he's using your particular techniques is stretching the truth quite a bit. But hey, you're not willing to prove that or even interested in it. You just want us to buy your books. Again, understandable. The exact details of the Dominic System are here: http://www.ludism.org/mentat/DominicSystem If anyone has a reference to that exact technique in Harry's books I'm all ears. If not, I think that speaks for itself. |
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
I found this rather humorous. I just happenned upon it while browsing. Here is Jason England talking about these memory systems:
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While the Dominic System offers several advantages over other systems such as David Roth's and Harry Lorayne's, it also has a few drawbacks. For one, it is pressed into service much slower than the Roth/Lorayne method. It has to be outlined and a memory framework has to be constructed before you can begin using the full power of the system. Further: Quote:
For those of you whose feathers just got ruffled at the thought of me giving away someone's hard developed 'system', you should know that the "Dominic System" predates Dominic O'Brian by about 2,500 years by his own admission. It's as much his as Lorayne's system is Lorayne's. The "Lorayne System" is also hundreds of years old. (I don't know that Harry ever claimed it as his, but he doesn't go out of his way to credit his predecessors in his memory books for the public either.) Rather interesting. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Splice: Who in the world ever asked you to buy my books? I suggested you do your own research. Up to you. I'd just as soon you didn't buy my books - stick with O'Brien's "systems." I honestly never knew his "systems;" just read the stuff above. Use those, please. Incidentally, David Roth (who died at 96) called me every time he saw me on TV or got one of my books, to tell me HOW MUCH BETTER MY IDEAS WERE THAN HIS OWN AND HOW MY CONCEPTS BETTERED ALL EXISTING IDEAS. Never, in all my writings, did I say that I invented the ideas. But I sure as h@ll made them more workable. You might, in your research, find where anyone ever suggested linking concepts of more than two digits in order to remember long digit numbers quickly and easily. But you know, I really don't have to prove anything to you or anyone else. Obviously, you guys above know it all. Best - HARRY. (I, too, find all above humorous and interesting.)
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
So without actually ever knowing the system Dominic uses, you claimed he was using yours?
I can understand that your systems can be used for such feats. What I don't understand is why you claim that Dominic uses your system, when you don't even know what system he actually used. But your concept bettered everything in existence so I guess that explains that. I don't claim to know it all, but I don't accept everything at face value either. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Gee, thanks, Splice. You've taught me something about misplaced sarcasm. I went according to what was told to me over the years; and after all the rip-offs (sometimes word for word, certainly idea for idea, over fifty years - I could write a book - nothing surprises me)when I saw the above, I made an honest statement. But, please. you're right. Why in the world do I bother???!!!
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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zaki_rafih99 Regular user 164 Posts |
Splice, not to agree or disagree with you.. my question is what do you gain from your posts on the legend harry lorayne. I think that at his level in our magic world and after all of his contributions.. he can't be discredited. Don't post on the boards for everyone to see about negative stuff like this or problems you have. It should be done in private messages. This appears very rude.
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Gianni Special user WILMINGTON, DE 993 Posts |
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On 2009-07-02 13:05, zaki_rafih99 wrote: Yeah, I agree. You can pick the flycrap out of the pepper with anyone, anytime, but let's give Lorayne some room. He's a freakin' legend, upsides and downsides as you may want to find them. Gianni |
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splice Inner circle Canada 1246 Posts |
Room given. Enjoy.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Thanks Zaki and Gianni - and all of you who have emailed me personally and called me, etc. You all make up for the few who really have no idea, no background, no concept of what the h@ll they're talking about. Thanks again, guys. Best - HARRY L.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Interesting. Within just about the last hour or so, I've received a few calls (my private line is ringing right now)all agreeing with the suggestion above by Zaki - that someone like the one above should use (should have used) private messages. But don't you see, guys? You're missing the point! Doing a private message wouldn't get them noticed, wouldn't make them feel like "big" people, getting a response from me.
This is something, over the years that psychologist/psychiatrist friends of mine (not necessarily into magic) have told me about people like that, when I explained it, or showed the threads, to them. They all always, of course, advised me to ignore people like that - that I'm just playing into their hands by responding, and etc., but that just isn't the nature of this beast! I simply don't take fools gladly. (That's a general statement, folks - I'm not referring to anyone specifically. Okay?) Best - HARRY L.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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