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SimonP New user South West England 85 Posts |
Hi Guys
Ive just about finished studying Expert Card Technique. I have also studied royal road all the way through. When I say studied I don't just mean ive read them, Ive efficiently learnt all the sleights from them (although in some cases I have learnt the more modern examples such as Riffle pass instead of the Braue pass). What Im asking is, what is my card magic knowledge missing now? I know I need to learn some false counts and culls. What will someone who has read the Card College books now know that I will not be at all familiar with? I need to know where my weaknesses are so I can focus on this area in my card magic. -Thanks in advance, Simon |
Darren Roberts Loyal user 222 Posts |
The Card College series is VERY comprehensive. It would fill in some of the modern techniques left out of RRTCM and ECT. I recommend these next. After that...wherever you want to go!
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GeorgeG Special user Thousand Oaks, CA 977 Posts |
If your are now looking for graduate work in advanced card magic turn to Marlo's material especially his private manuscripts and the Marlo's Magazine series. Yes, these are out of print but can be found occasionally on ebay or through used magic book dealers. Wakeling released a few titles at reasonable prices and Jon Racherbaumer will be releasing the Riffle Shuffle Trilogy as e-books in an updated edition.
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Glenn Godsey Special user 737 Posts |
Expert Card Technique was published in 1940 (when I was 3 years old!). Double Lifts, the Elmsley Count, and the Ascanio Spread were unknown.
The first sleight a modern card guy needs to perfect is a really good double lift. It is probably used in 90% of current routines. The next sleight to learn is the Elmsley Count. You can perform miracles when you have both perfected. Others will strongly disagree, but to me, the Ascanio Spread is also essential. Then there is the ATFUS,the Multiple Shift, Tilt, etc. There are countless wonderful sleights to be learned, but with a good double and a good Elmsley, you can do a miraculous looking 20 minute card act. Best regards, Glenn Godsey |
hitmouse Loyal user 249 Posts |
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On 2003-05-28 15:46, Glenn Godsey wrote: ECT has quite a comprehensive section on double lifts. Arthur Buckley's Card Control, which is contemporary also has a variety of DLs, as well as multiple shifts, which are both important and very useful. The Elmsley count is arguably the single most important development since that time, in that it has opened a completely new avenue of card magic. |
Ian Richards Loyal user 226 Posts |
"Counts, Cuts, Moves and Subltlety" by Jerry Mentzer is a useful small paperback book that has clear descriptions and photographs of most of the more recently developed counts, e.g., Elmsley, Jordan, Hamman, Siva. However, it does not describe any effects using these tools. "Tricks You Can Count On" by Chesbro and West and "Packet Tricks" also by Jerry Mentzer are other useful small paperbacks that have effects that use the counts.
If you have a sound working knowledge of both the sleights and routines in RRTCM and ECT then you are ahead of most card magicians. |
leondo Special user Las Vegas 759 Posts |
I have read (yes...studied) all the above text.
Not being a card performer (but still a student), I'll humbly submit that if you want to learn your weaknesses, what your lacking is an audience. Ted (Leondo) |
SimonP New user South West England 85 Posts |
thanks for so much help guys!
Would I enjoy reading the Card College series? Or would i be skipping large sections of it and be finding it boring? There are 5 of them now and they are all pretty large books, so I don't know if I could handle them all. GeorgeG am I ready for graduate material? I need some help here because I don't know if Id find such material too complex and not read it, or if id really enjoy it. Ive already got got a pretty nice double lift, I use the strike double, which is all a double lift needs to be in my opinion. It looks like your simply turning over the top card. Job done I started learning the elmsley count this morning, and allready I can see the wealth of tricks that this will open up! I can do the tilt, and I put that in my AC routine. Please could someone tell me what the Ascanio Spread is? Same with the ATFUS and the Multiple tilt? (im not asking you to tell me how its done because that's against Café rules, just a short description of what it does would be real nice ) Where can I learn those sleights? "Counts, Cuts, Moves and Subltlety" by Jerry Mentzer sounds interesting bearing in mind that I live in England where could I get this from? I appologise leondo i believe my origional post mislead you and i am sorry for that. I didn't as much mean my weaknesses, I more meant 'which path do i go down next?' sort of question. Thanks for the feedback anyway! (however I totally agree with your statement. Your true weaknesses only really show when your performing). Thanks for all the input guys! -Simon |
MacGyver Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1419 Posts |
The A. Spread is done on Ammar's ETMCM vol.6 i believe, at least that's where I learnt it from.
Its basically showing 5 cards as 4, hiding the middle card. Though I'm sure it can be used with more or less, though I'm not sure it would still be called an Ascanio spread. While I think what your asking for is the multiple shift, and not the tilt, AFAIK the mult. tilt would just be tilting with more than 1 card The multiple shift is a wide array of moves that control multiple cards and move them to the top of the bottom. You probably already know of one Mult. Shift, where you put 4 cards into a fan, then close and do a hindu looking shuffle? that's a mult. shift. Learn all the counts, and practice the asher twist, its a nice utility move to have! I don't know if you have, but learn some good false cuts and false shuffles, they always help out. |
per_agge New user 80 Posts |
the ascanio spread is very usefull. u can do a hole twisting routine with that simple(in my opinion) spread. look for fred kaps original version of twisting the aces, its in the book by jerry mentzer("Counts, Cuts, Moves and Subltlety"..i think)
have a nive try simon and don´t forget to talk to me in MSN! Per Agge |
Jonatan B Veteran user Gothenburg, Sweden 342 Posts |
Ascanio Spread...taught in vol 1...
I don't know if this is in vol 6 to.
Jonatan Bank
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Jack Veteran user 371 Posts |
I would recommend getting Kaufman and Greenbergs 'The Secrets of Bro. John Hamman' who created some of the most brilliant and useful card sleights that there is (Hamman Count, Gemini Count, the Flustration Count, etc.). You will also learn some of the most clever card effects ever.
Magically, Jack |
Winslow Homer New user 19 Posts |
Royal road and expert card technique i do have. I have not learned anything from those books(but its complicated issue and i wont go into this now. yes those books are good). On the other hand
card college.... how should i say this? it's a must, it's a bible: go get it now! warning! you will find out that you hold your cards wrong and stuff like that so beware.
i would like to know who is changing my profile all the time and why.
drop me an email. |
trainerjep Loyal user 242 Posts |
i would say you are on the right track now man
It's not the size of the wand,
but the magic in it ! |
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