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choobysoo
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Is anyone familiar with the Blood mark system? If so what do you think it compares with other marking systems?
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No I never heard of this.
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It's pretty dry here in Colorado, and occasionally I find that a hangnail has bled on a card or two- interesting application, though a little masochistic if done on purpose, no? I've never heard of a system by that name, though. Maybe I'm being a little too literal in my guess? One cool thing about that method is the possible outs if you're caught... "oh &$@?! You're right! I'll get a band aid, sorry!" or you could totally get "nauseated" by the sight of blood... Lies are more convincing when they don't make you look good.
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Yeah I heard of the blood system. Nothing new, and about half the pages are devoted to "this is the exact spot you mark for a 7 of spades on a tally-ho fan back. Now here is the spot for an 8. Here is the spot on a tally ho circle back. Now here is the spot on a bicycle deck" etc etc.

On the other hand, if, when looking at a bicycle back, you wonder where the heck you could possibly put a mark, then this may be for you.

Ironically enough, while Bee decks are nearly ideal for such a marking system, the only context they are mentioned in is that the author will not reveal such information as the marking systems for Bee, Jerry's Nugget, Golden Nuggets and KEM Arrow backs "as these decks apply mainly in casinos".

But hey, if you want to mark a deck of Split Spades, you're covered.

Not recommended, unless you meant to post elsewhere than the gambling section.
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Is the notion behind it so that one could claim it was an innocent mistake should they be discovered? When I was a kid reading a news paper would black the hands, as the ink used on them back then, was made soot and oil and that was used as an excuse if daub marks were discovered.
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It has nothing to do with blood. It's just a name. It's meant to be edgy, I take it.
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Thanks for clearing up Splice. Yes, I wouldn't use it in gambling as it looks so easy to be detected. What is the ideal material to use for marking the bee decks? Like the hardest to detect.
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@splice,

you made me laugh a lot.

To others.

What to think about the "work" of Daniel Madison, named "The blood marking system"? Well, in his introduction he says he intented to write a book called "How to become a professional card cheat". I'm afraid it would have been a very bad book if, when coming to the matter of marked cards, all he's got to teach us is another blocking out system...

It's not a bad one, but when dealing at speed, I'm not sure it's very easy to spot! If magicians are targeted, well, IMHO they've got easier and more secure marking systems. About players, well, this system doesn't pass the riffle test...

IMHO, useless in a gambling context.
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"In a gambling context" I would never use any published system.

If someone is going to put burglars tools into action for real money they should do some work and come up with their own (clever) method.
If you just need someone else to tell you how to risk your liberty then you are the tool and probably belong exactly where you will end up.

This is just my opinion about the idea of "what system is good for gambling?" and I think as soon as a system gets shared with a second person it is no longer useful for gambling. My use of the word "you" was not directed at anyone here.
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...but was meant as a generic comment.
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Quote from Sal Piacente's Games Protection Seminar to casino staff on the subject of marked cards: "The hardest systems to detect are the ones you don't know about...".
It seems obvious when put so plainly but people are still debating which "system is better for gambling, 'so and so's xyz system' or 'what's his names 123 system'?". (paraphrased of course)
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Regardless of the semantics of whether even knowing about the existence of a system renders it useless, when a knowledgeable person states that they believe a known system is "useless for gambling", that's a piece of information I have now that I didn't have before I read it.

In other words, in the post above, AMcD is stating (as a knowledgeable person whose opinion I'm interested in) that the so-called "Blood" system is both known, and useless for gambling.

A fair statement, and one that basically says even if the Blood System was a totally unknown system, it would still be useless.

But, as always, the statement that implies that the "best stuff" isn't (or shouldn't be) tipped, and is as strong as any system, sleight, or gaff could be...... remains true.

(Short version of the above: some systems are born useless, the Blood System is one of them).
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Well I have an idea that blood could be a killer move.
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Quote:
On 2009-07-10 09:47, silverking wrote:

(Short version of the above: some systems are born useless, the Blood System is one of them).


Nope, the blood system as such isn't useless. Buying it, however, would be. It is very well-known and isn't original, unless you consider the exact position of the marks on a card back a valuable secret.
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I stand corrected.
Splice kindly filled me in on some missing details. (I'm not an owner of this "Blood" system).

I mistakenly thought we were discussing a "new" system of marking cards.

The so-called "Blood System" in fact would be quite deadly if it wasn't already extremely well known.
Alas, it is known, and has been for.........well, a very long time.

The "Blood System" creator seems intent on hustling young folks with a hip new name for one of the worlds oldest marking systems...........easily discovered with a simple riffle test.
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On 2009-07-10 11:55, silverking wrote:
The "Blood System" creator seems intent on hustling young folks with a hip new name for one of the worlds oldest marking systems...........easily discovered with a simple riffle test.


I'm afraid no one among us can add something more about the "blood system". Nice review Silver Smile.
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I just saw a video, The Real Hustle Season 5 episode 2. Alex and Paul was using a fine point pen and a green liquid to mark his cards, what kind of marking system is that? Anybody knows?
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Did they need contact lenses?
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On 2009-07-10 11:55, silverking wrote:
The "Blood System" creator seems intent on hustling young folks with a hip new name for one of the worlds oldest marking systems...........easily discovered with a simple riffle test.


Who says irony is dead?!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Apart from all of that.

What IF.

A fellow pricks his finger while fixing a charity pin on his lapel. Them he goes to play Black Jack and accidentally gets blood on a card or three. What can the casino do about that? After all accidents will happen.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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