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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts 
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On 2009-08-01 18:16, Carrie Sue wrote: Name one that you have seem, and not dismissed before hand because you knew who he was. Name a good documentary, by your standards.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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Davit Sicseek Inner circle 1818 Posts
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I've seen all Moore's movie-documentaries. The sad thing is that while I may agree with some of his broader positions, his movies are so littered with misrepresentations of statistics, opportunism and quote mining that it's impossible to take him or his arguments seriously.
Michael Moore can at best be described as a useful noise in political activism. Whether he provides a net benefit to his causes is questionable. He certainly get's people talking, but often talking nonsense by blind regurgitation of truths only true in the word of Michael Moore. If you consider Moore's documentaries good.... good as in fair, balanced, honest and informative then it may be best to keep it to yourself. Shout it too loudly and even anti-war, anti-gun, junk food hating Americans who would also like socialised health care will snigger at you. Well, the educated one's will at least. Comparing Moore's films with Ben Stein's Expelled is perhaps taking things a little too far.
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts
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I agree about the stats. in one film he compared the number of deaths by gunfire in japan to the number of deaths by gun in the US.... not mentioning the slight difference in population
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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I believe that Moore contrasted 11,127 homicides with guns in the US versus 39 in Japan. Even a very crude understanding of the relative populations will permit interpretation of these numbers.
(This is not to be read as a general defense of Moore, who I find very entertaining, but whom I would never call a serious documentarian.) John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts
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On 2009-08-03 22:51, Davit Sicseek wrote: I think you are correct. Expelled was worse.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Davit Sicseek Inner circle 1818 Posts
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I think you are correct. Expelled was worse. That was my point.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts
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Well, I think Moore's films contain more facts than Anne Coulter's books.
I'm an IRA member, and even I think that Heston could have handled the interview better at the end of 'Bowling for Columbine.' Whenever any movie has an agenda, or "message," then you have to take it with the old grain of salt. I liked Farhenheit 9/11 a lot. Not because of anything Moore said, but because of the actual newsclips shown, and the video from the hearings. It's pretty hard to claim you didn't say something when I'm watching a video of you saying it.
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MagicMichealMan Veteran user Vancouver Island, British Columbia 349 Posts
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This "ecpelled" thing looks stupid. I hate all documentaries, I would rather go outside and expiearance my own. I finally saw bruno, although I liked borat more, it was still hilarious, I wanted to vomit in parts. But most of it was still funny,
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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On 2009-08-04 11:54, MagicMichealMan wrote: Right. Like you're gonna go back and talk to Michelangelo or Jesus or climb Everest or get killed by the eruption of Vesuvius. Not all documentaries are like "Expelled" or "Bowling in Columbine". In fact, I'd hardly call either one of them "documentaries." They are ideological polemics on film. Which might be cool. But it doesn't fit any definition of "documentary" that I would agree with. Then again, I'm sort of hard to please. |
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Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 749 Posts
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On 2009-08-04 10:46, critter wrote: Provisional,real,or continuity? Shouldn't you be wearing a balaclava in your avatar? Ray.
What do we want?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On 2009-08-02 11:40, kcg5 wrote: BFC, most of F-911 & Sicko. Are you actually going to take the position that he's a serious documentarian? That'd be kind of interesting.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts
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The acclaimed documentary "The Civil War" created by Ken Burns is to me, the yard stick by which all other documentaries should be measured. That said, "Expelled", "Bowling in Columbine", "Fahrenheit-911" & "Sicko" bear no resemblance to a legitimate documentary.
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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Davit Sicseek Inner circle 1818 Posts
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I'm an IRA member, and even I think that Heston could have handled the interview better at the end of 'Bowling for Columbine.' Maybe - but could you handle such an ambush at Heston's age together with the early effects of alzheimers? That whole segment was a bit of a cheap shot.
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MagicMichealMan Veteran user Vancouver Island, British Columbia 349 Posts
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I just don't get who would sit down and watch something like march of the penguins for 2 hours, with some voice describing things and facts, just boring.
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts
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You appear to be dressed like a penguin and yet attack the poor defenseless little waddlers for being boring.
I haven't seen March of the Penguins but have enjoyed countless other documentaries about those delightful birds. In fact in my opinion most animal docos beat any of the aforementioned opinion pieces, satires and comedies. |
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Davit Sicseek Inner circle 1818 Posts
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^ Penguins are mad wack.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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On 2009-08-04 14:42, Tom Bartlett wrote: Right. That is a documentary, and indeed an excellent one. I own it and Burn's Baseball, which is also excellent. But my idea of a documentary in the truest sense is Woodstock. There is hardly any attempt (there is one, of course; but it is slight) to put any "spin" on how one should interpret the event. It just documents an event. The problem begins when we start trying to document something other than historical events. When we start trying to document social problems, it is nearly impossible to do so without showing bias. Michael Moore and Ben Stein go further: both attempt to "document" political wrong-headedness. Personally, I just don't see how pointing out political wrong-headedness can be "documentation"; it is political argumentation. Political argumentation is good, desirable, and healthy for a democracy. We need more of it, not less, and we need it from all sides and every perspective. But it isn't "documentation." We need to get back to using words in meaningful ways. Calling an ideological polemical film a "documentary" is misleading, unfair, and ultimately unhealthy in a democracy. But back to Bruno, which I haven't seen. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts
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The gun club, not the Irish Republican Army. My feelings on that particular IRA involve way more personal politics than belong here.
I just like my guns. Quote: On 2009-08-04 12:06, Ray Tupper. wrote:
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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There is a gun club called the IRA? Don't you mean the NRA? I'm confused.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On 2009-08-05 05:44, stoneunhinged wrote: That's a rather dated view of documentation, don'tcha think? Why shouldn't a documentary have an agenda? Me, I think Lytton Strachey set the modern tone for documentation in his witty and scathing Eminent Victorians. He saw no reason to be neutral or fair, so long as he tells a ripping good story. I like ripping good stories. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
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