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Rocketeer
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You remember what Venn diagrams are. They are those circle pictures used to explain the relations between sets. The circle representing say, beagles, would be entirely inside the circle representing dogs because all beagles are dogs. If you had a circle representing America and another representing Americans some of the circle of Americans would be outside of the American circle because at any given time a certain percentage of Americans are outside the country.

Ok math refresher is over. Think of two circles: The left hand circle represents readers, i.e., people who do psychic readings of some kind. The circle on the right represents pure mentalists who never do readings. I imagine Osterlind, Banacheck and most name brand mentalists are in this circle.

But the two circles do intersect. The point of intersection would be shaded in a printed Venn diagram. The point of intersection is that group of mentalists who also give readings. (Or readers who also do mentalism acts, if you prefer.)

The floor is open for discussion. In which part of the diagram are you? Pure reader, pure mentalist or in the intersection of those who do both? Have you been in a different set in the past? Are you moving in one direction or the other?

I see myself in the middle sector (although I am yet to give my first paid mentalism performance). I'm thinking of using readings as a revenue source to help me build my act. Pipe dream of sound business plan? Do most people tend to stay in one sector? Do they move back and forth between sectors?

What are you thoughts?

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That is incorrect. They do not intersect because you have defined them as mutually exclusive. It's like saying one circle is odd and one circle is everything that isn't odd, they don't intersect.

The actual question you want to ask is:

One circle with people who do psychic readings. One circle with people who perform mentalism. These intersect and it is this intersection that you are referring too (mentalists who do readings).

Who needs the math refresher again?

Plop me in that intersection, btw.
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I think I might be in a wee bubble somewhere on the edge of the page... and not in a good way! Smile

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Ok lemniscate, the only sentence I got wrong is this one:

The circle on the right represents pure mentalists who never do readings.

That should have been:

The circle on the right represents mentalists who do stage shows.

With that correction the post is now mathematically correct.
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I would imagine that there are folks who do readings but NOT with the methods devised by mentalists.
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You've never seen Banachek give a reading???


You've missed out!


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He's pretty good with cards it seems Smile
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To answer your first question, I'm a mentalist who doesn't do readings, but I hope to be in the intersection in the future. I come from performing magic and have recently switched to mentalism. Being able to do readings is now an ambition but I still have a lot of studying to do. I think it takes a lot of trial and error to get it right, and I don't get to do a lot of trial since I'm having a hard time selling mentalism in my country.

I believe delivering good readings can lift up many mentalism effects from being a trick to being whatever the spectator (participant) wants to believe it is.
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As Stealers Wheel said so prophetically back in the '70s (as if foretelling your exact Venn diagram), "Here I am, stuck in the middle with you."

I should point out that mentalism derives much of its power from its grounding in the oracular tradition. Little wonder that even among those who do only feature performances, reading-based Q&A remains one of the strongest parts of the repertoire.

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Neil
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