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Tommy_McRock
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I've seen in a couple of books and jsut realised I've been working it into scripts I'm trying to develop, that there is a contradiction in induction methods in come places.

Some lean heavily on the subject focusing on something, could be anything really, and makes sense in practice, where as other's mention confusion and dropping suggestion in behind the moment of mental openess, or just keeping them confused so they follow some vein of reason you present them, and this seems to work too.

Simply for my purposes of understanding the process a little more, how can both mechanics work; they seem diametrically opposed in mental processes? Can they work in tandem? Or shoudl they be kept out of each others' scripts. And seeing as how both are disarming, what is the thread that connects them both?

In fact, did anything I say just make sense?!

I'm curious on insight to this =)
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Bah... my spelling there was god awefull! Sorry =/
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For stage stick to focus.

However they both subdue the critical faculty. As you pay attention closely to the rest of my words you might notice that your left side becomes a bit warmer more relaxed and you can wonder if it is right for the left to become warm and more relaxed first while your right side is just left waiting to go into trance right away.

Or perhaps its right for the left side to go second or both could be left wondering when the time is right....

now....to relax and continue to notice those sensations develop as you relax a little deeper now...with every word sylable you read...being aware even as you read a page from a computer screen....of my voice telling you what you need to know...in order to make complete sense of your original post....

I don't know when....perhaps in a few minutes or hours...perhaps in a few weeks....or maybe its happening ....now ....a clear new understanding...



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That doesn't really answer the question does it though =P

I understand that both work, I'm curious to know how two different cognitive mental approaches result in the same funciton, and how can they compliment each other if they are in the same script... Can that happen?
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Read above - they are both in the same script. I gave you an example.

They both result in the critical faculty being subdued. One by narrowing your attention and the other by overwheling your conscious processing.


They both achieve the same thing critical faculty is wrapped up doing something else so the suggestions get by its guard.
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Hi Tommy,

I can see how these apparently very different types of induction can seem contradictory.

Bear in mind that confusion still focuses the attention. You conscious mind is preoccupied with making sense of what's happening, whereas in a 'focus' induction it is preoccupied with concentrating on a single thing.

Some subjects struggle to focus effectively enough on one thing, especially if they are very analytical, and a confusion induction can be a better way of making them suggestible. Or it may not be.

It's not really a matter of combining them or using them concurrently - they are just different tools, and an effective hypnotist becomes skilled at using whatever is most appropriate at the time.

You might be talking about focussing on a single spot on a wall and start using slightly confusing language to assist someone into trance. If you were doing a full on 'confusion induction' using multiple sensory modalities it would be important to keep the subject completely focussed on what was happening.

Hope that's vaguely useful - there are far more skilled and experienced hypnotists than me on this forum, but sadly none of them seem to have noticed this thread.

Anyway, have fun experimenting with those scripts!
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Different strokes for different folks.

In a clinical or one-on-one situation, you can concentrate on the person and adjust your style if they don't seem to be responding to what you're doing.

In a stage show, it's more like a shotgun approach. Use a generic induction that gets the most people under, dismiss the ones who don't and start the show.

Or just take out the remaining people with instant inductions. =)
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Now that is a hypnotist talking.

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Or a bouncer....



Having said that "taking out" is not always the main outcome. It depends on the application. Sometimes you don't want them out. I teach confusion techniques to business people so that they can embedd positive suggestions about their services and products in a conversation, presentation or sales pitch.

A pattern I use a lot is to invite someone along for a meeting with agenda where they "think" they already know a lot about.

For example I once attended a meeting for recruitment agency to pitch for some work.
They are exttremely busy. The agenda was to prepare a presentation that would show theem some new advanced persuasion programmes.

Once they assmbled in the meeting room I started with "I know you think I am here to do a presentation but to be honest I haven't got one. I haven't prepared anything".

Silence - The girl that got me in started to show real fear on her face since she was responsable for wasting time. The rest looked really confused. And then the confusion started to turn into anger.

I then continued with.... " but I know everybody here wants something they aren't getting enough of just now" "some of you want to meet your sales targets and alleviate pressure, some of you need to make this office work since the other offices are leaving you behind, Some of you ( I went into some of the problems I gleaned from a previous phone call).

Because I touched on real deep personal problems they opened up again really attentive and receptive. I then threw them back into confusion.

"just before we get ito t hat lets have a bit of fun". I then did a really powerful mental effect which I have linked to a shift in psychology needed to survive in this economic climate. ( I am not going to disclose this here)

I then continued through the two hours with a whole range of processes designed to bend their minds they way I wanted them to go and be receptive to my messages.

Confusion is powerful with waking covert trancework and part of a series of systems to shape and control how you are percieved.

I have presentation programme - not like the usual presentation courses. But designed to teach others to create presentations that literally change they way their clients percieve them.

I often start with this simple pattern..

you all think you are here to learn how to create presentations - but this may shock you - this training has nothing to do with presentations at all. (silence until they all look confused) And when you understand why not only will your presentations soar in effectiveness, youl find yourself signing up more contracts, deals and sales with no additional effort at all.

The above pattern is split up into two parts. The first part elicits confusion the second part rams home a positive suggestion because now there is an open doorway into their minds.

Stage work is very basic hypnosis.
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Interesting stuff there, thanks guys =)
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