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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On 2009-07-26 00:01, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote: It works like the chalk gymnasts use on their hands to do work on the rings, bars, pommel horse, etc. - or like sand on ice; like chalk on a pool cue. It provides traction- grip vs. slip. Try palming the coin with the rosin on the edge- you may find you have trouble dropping it now, indeed. I know Roth's rosin did that for me, at least. Work with it, not against it. It's meant as an aid. Good luck. |
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Zhang Special user 515 Posts |
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On 2009-07-26 00:01, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote: If you really want to learn to CP coins for real,you do not need rosin or any of those sticky things people mention here,specially you that are very young;just keep practising; it really takes a couple of years to get a good CP just relax and give the CP time you'll get it. forget about those STICKY things. trust me you do not need them even if you use soft coins,let your hands get the natural grip on their own you'll be happy you did so. If you do decide to use those STICKY things you wont be able to do it without it once you get use to it your hand will ask you for it they will become addicted to it. Just give me a couple of weeks and I'm gonna make a tutorial just for you, the only one you'll ever need to really learn how to CP like a Pro as far as I seen nobody ever tells you the right way to CP a coin or coins either they don't know how to or they just don't want to tell, sort of like Mickey Silver and his RV.they just do not tell you everything you need to know, but I will. |
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cperkins Special user 700 Posts |
Whoa....
To see a difficult thing lightly handled gives the impression of the impossible.
(Goethe) |
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Mickey Soume Regular user 110 Posts |
-=chuckle=-
Perhaps I may be of assistance? Go get a can of contact cement and a can of wd-40. Brush contact cement on YOU, not the coins. you want tacky? heh heh ...this rocks. Clean up with rag and wd-40 soon after or you'll develop dirt spots where you applied the cement.... EVERYthing sticks to it. I like to dip into it, then wipe off excess against the side of the can to put a thin film on myself. It dries in seconds. Mickey Soumé |
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dsalley13 Elite user 465 Posts |
Strange...Fish,
I drag the edge of a coin across the rosin block, while turning it (the coin) to always offer fresh edge surface as I drag. You'll build up a little excess rosin this way, but all you have to do is just rub it off the sharp edges and sides of the coin(s). Then I place the coin in classic palm and let it warm to body temperature. In about 2-3 minutes, you have a coin and palm that will slightly stick together. This will help hold and maintain your classic palm grip. After doing this, I have found I can hold my hand perpendicular to the performance table, wiggle my fingers and hardly ever have the coin come out when I don't want it to. I have a little exercise where I try to hold the rosined coin in classic-palm for as long as I can while doing other coin or card effects or just watching TV and relaxing in the evenings. This helps me to learn to make my coin holding hand more useful and not cramped-up in trying to maintain hard muscle contraction. A light touch works just as well and even better than a hard touch. This works really well for me with half-dollar sized coins. Dollar sized coins are a bit more problematic because of my small hand size. That is still a work in progress for me. The rosin has allowed me to handle dollar coins well for the first time in my life. I know that if I keep practicing, I will be able to classic palm a dollar coin just as well as I now CP a 1/2 dollar. Rosined coins get dirty. You have to clean them regularly or you get a dirty gray build-up on the edges. That can be noticeable to spectators, so remember to occasionally clean them (your hands too) and start over with a fresh rosining. I hope this helps a bit. I have a nicely well-worn groove in my block of rosin now, from rubbing coin edges across it. Once you've developed that, it makes rosining your coins even easier. dsalley13 |
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3078 Posts |
You're probably better at classic palm then you think you are.
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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks 1988 - 2013 The Big Brother is watching you 1095 Posts |
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On 2009-07-29 11:27, fonda57 wrote: honestly I don't know what to think. I would probably have to agree with you there, I think my CP is good enough to use in a rountine. However after practicing it for over a year I've had one person (a few actually) say it was very good and another person say my hand still looked like it was squeezing oranges. I'm beginning to wonder if it will ever get as good as someone's such as david stone's if I keep practicing. The main signs right now is there is major dimpling on the ring and pinky finger, as well as my hand still has a 'rounded' or 'cupped' appearance. Right now I can classic palm 4 coins no problem, and drop them one at a time. After doing well with winged silver, I'm working on david stone's "I want you" on his second volume |
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manal Inner circle York ,PA. 1412 Posts |
Just use it. If lay people aren't busting you during a routine your fine.
David Stones CP doesn't look that great when isolated from actual use in a routine. I have the VHS tapes. He still performs great routines anyway. |
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marty.sasaki Inner circle 1117 Posts |
I engaged both General Grant and Ray Goulet in a discussion classic palm. Ray's is pretty good, General's not as good, but General's act has doves, silks, some ball manipulation, and Zombie, it was still way better than mine though.
Both looked really natural and relaxed but if I was really critical, I could see that something was there, but so what? Both, sort of off the cuff, did some coin stuff that fooled me completely, and both complained about being out of practice. To me, that's all that really counts, especially if you are performing for the general public. They aren't going to notice anyway. As a final note, I can do an undetectable palm using a shimmed coin and a PK ring. I've been playing with this in a one coin bit, just for fun. This is the only way that I'll have an undetectable palm. It is fun after complaining about how bad my CP is and then doing something this way. I always laugh and show my open palm with the coin stuck there.
Marty Sasaki
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA Standard disclaimer: I'm just a hobbyist who enjoys occasionally mystifying friends and family, so my opinions should be viewed with this in mind. |
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3078 Posts |
Of course you know you don't ever need to hold your hand out flat daring spectators to catch you at classic palming. It's just a means to an end. If you can drop four coins from the palm I'd say you are there.
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Don't know why they should have much a chance to see it. if your doing a routine your apparently emply hand should be busy doing somthing. you should not be waving in thier face asking to be caught.
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MickeyPainless Inner circle California 6065 Posts |
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On 2009-07-30 13:26, Joshua Barrett wrote: EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As I've stated both to Kevin in private and here in open forum, IT'S A HOLDOUT, A SLEIGHT, it's NOT the HOLY GRAIL! The Classic Palm in coins and the Classic Pass in cards get (IMO) way more press than they deserve! They are a means to an end and there are OTHER ways to accomplish the same end result! Are they cool sleights, sure! Are they a measure of ones ability, yeah I suppose if that's what yer in to! Are they a reason to throw in the towel if you can't do them well or at all...... NO FRIGGIN WAY! FWIW Kevin, I think you may have bought a bad block of rosin! It should not disintegrate/crumble as you describe! I've had the same chunk for a couple years and it is just a black hunk of semi sticky stuff with grooves carved in it by coins! I bought mine at a music store for about 5 bucks! Rather than shop around, buy Roths Rosin as he has done the research and found the one best suited for your needs! As always, just MY dos centavos, MMc |
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evikshin Special user 893 Posts |
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On 2009-07-30 00:23, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote: if your classic palm is good enough to fool lay people in the context of a routine, then it is good enough. Who cares if joe blow magician (who is already "in the know" about magic) can tell that you are classic palming?. Can you fool a lay person with your technique? have you tried it out? |
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magicblademan Special user uk 523 Posts |
Quote: Spot on my friend I totally agree with every word you said .On 2009-08-02 18:12, evikshin wrote:
If you put the time in....you will achieve ...
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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks 1988 - 2013 The Big Brother is watching you 1095 Posts |
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On 2009-08-02 18:12, evikshin wrote: I suppose. I show it to my mom if it looks ok and she said it looks 'funny'..I don't know. In my video of winged silver by david roths one guy saw the video and asked, "I understand magicians aren't supposed to explain how they do it, but what I don't understand is HOW did you make the coins fly from one hand to another?" It looks better in video than in hand..I want it to be as good as david stones...I'll keep practicing. Not giving up on this.. Working on david stone's "I want you" on his second DVD ...classic palming 4 coins and with the back thumb palm...I'll post a video once I have it perfected. |
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evikshin Special user 893 Posts |
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On 2009-08-02 21:44, Strange Tasting Fish Sticks wrote: david stone is in a class of his own. you need to accept that you may never be him, though if you succeed, I will humbly eat my words. Sounds like you have the technique down in terms of fooling lay people--that is your ultimate goal right? or am I wrong? also, consider that your mom is in the know about magic, so chances are that anything that isn't an empty hand is going to look funny. hell, my own father says that is is blatantly obvious that david stone is classic palming coins in his one coin routine, but that is only because he knows the technique in the sense of me bugging him to watch me when I was learning it. |
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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
I think you are expecting way to much. It takes more than a year to get a decent classic palm. It will take ten or more years of steady practice to get it to look like most of the best coin guys.
I think some people fail to realize the amount of work that goes into a nice move. Ten years of practice is generally what it takes just to get the muscle memory right for most advanced card and coin moves. A year and a half of practice is nothing. |
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Wes65 Inner circle I've said very little in 1219 Posts |
"Patience grasshopper patience."
Wes
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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks 1988 - 2013 The Big Brother is watching you 1095 Posts |
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On 2009-08-02 23:37, Whit Haydn wrote: Whit, thanks for replying to my thread. It's an honor...I'll keep practicing for another 9 years...makes me wonder though, david stone was what, 24-25 in his first Basic coin magic volume 1? And his classic palm was that good? that means he would've had to practiced when he was 15? Wow, would be interesting to know how long he's worked on it. I guess just a year and a half seems like a long time to me, without much improvement, I was expecting results from that..I'll keep working on it, not gonna give up. |
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Strange Tasting Fish Sticks 1988 - 2013 The Big Brother is watching you 1095 Posts |
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On 2009-08-02 23:21, evikshin wrote: I guess, maybe I can fool lay people with it, I don't really know. Often times I'm practicing routines and not showing them to people because I need to polish them up more.. |
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