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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
The ironic thing is that the same paintball really does leave the barrel of that gun, and ends up in your teeth. You would not have been lying if you said that!
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lebowski Veteran user 377 Posts |
But would it have garnered a better response from Piers?
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jimmyrook New user 15 Posts |
“You mean to tell me that bullet came out of that gun?!” Piers asked. “Ah, yes, yes it did”
Scott, the funny thing is when I said "Ah yes it did" that's exactly what I was thinking in my mind. Which wasnt a lie. That bullet did come out of that gun. |
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Scott Alexander V.I.P. 1471 Posts |
Well, obviously you fooled him with it.
You could have pulled a "Dirty Harry" with it and loaded another one and pointed at him and said "You feel lucky punk, well do ya?" Maybe he would have changed his tune. :) |
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A.G. Special user Vancouver- Canada 960 Posts |
LOL Now that would be priceless !
and great tv.. AG
Well then...
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Powermagic Inner circle 1437 Posts |
No, the marked bullet did not SHOOT out of the gun and you catch that same ball in your teeth. That is what Peirce was asking you.He is right. I am not saying expose it. You did fool him and he was guessing methods and maybe heard the stories how how the other bullet catches worked. These stories of false barrels and switched bullets are easy to find. If it is, then you can catch marked paint balls in your teeth and you could have repeated it with Pierce.
Lets not play with words here. That maybe is what you were thinking "as a magician" but you had no way to back it up. You could have loaded a ball he marked and have him shoot it out of the gun to prove the gun shoots out the ball as you did earlier. HOWEVER as I have said, it is a waste of time to try to defend yourself and it only hurts you. YOu could have made him a challange that on THE NEXT show you will allow him to do XYZ you. Whatever that may be. My fortune cookie had a nice saying " Do not explain. Your friends do not need an explanation, your enemies will not believe you anyway." Good stuff Yes to load the gun and aim it at PM WOULD have worked well. It would have stopped him in his tracks and they might have moved on. The audience would have roared. quote] On 2009-08-08 22:01, jimmyrook wrote: “You mean to tell me that bullet came out of that gun?!” Piers asked. “Ah, yes, yes it did” Scott, the funny thing is when I said "Ah yes it did" that's exactly what I was thinking in my mind. Which wasnt a lie. That bullet did come out of that gun. [/quote] |
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marty.sasaki Inner circle 1117 Posts |
The 30-second skip button/programming on my TiVo gets a workout with AGT. It really is all about what these folks think is good television. It's a couple of minutes of background, 90 seconds of performance (sometimes less),2 or 3 minutes of judgement,30 seconds of tease of the next act, then two or 3 minutes of commercials. Rinse, and Repeat. Then there is the next show where they spend an hour revealing the results. Apparently, America (and elsewhere) likes to watch torture. They love the stories, and they love the elation of one person/group and the humilation of the other group.
I usually start watching the show after it is over. I skip over of the background interviews, watch the performances, skip ahead for the verdict, and then off to the next performance. I enjoy some of the performances. I would prefer to see 3-5 minutes of performance, followed by a quick judgement, and off to the next act. The results show takes about 5 minutes to watch (it airs over 60) Watched this way, the show is very entertaining, the parts that I don't find entertaining, I can skip. The interviews are a really important part of the performance, at least according to Kevin James. If it is supposed to be about the talent what has the back story have to do with anything? I feel cheated when I watch a magician. It takes longer than 90 seconds to get to know the magician and to present a really mystifying effect. Pick your favorite effect, and do it in 90 seconds. Nearly impossible. Now do it to draw the attention of a lay audience. I admire anyone who tries though, and hope that magicians don't just give up.
Marty Sasaki
Arlington, Massachusetts, USA Standard disclaimer: I'm just a hobbyist who enjoys occasionally mystifying friends and family, so my opinions should be viewed with this in mind. |
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MikeLarkin New user 86 Posts |
May be a little late, but the perfect reply to Piers Morgan would have referenced this story.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3716151.stm A truly shameful incident for the British press. |
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magicbern Inner circle Hong Kong, China 1220 Posts |
A 'little' late? Its over FIVE YEARS late and not really relevant to this thread.
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
It takes talent to recognize talent, which always made me wonder why a talentless twit like Piers is a judge of talent? I would not call David and Sharon talented either. Sharon is just a money leach and David had one or two successful shows in the 80's, but not for that long. I do love Knight Rider but mostly Kitt. These idiots want to see "different" acts over and over again, not realizing that magicians and many other performers perform the same act over and over again for decades. That is what a professional does. Amateurs do different acts for the same people. After the so-called judges see an act once it then becomes useless to them. and they grow bored. But quality is more important than quantity.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2009-08-25 03:39, sirbrad wrote: Believe me... I've yelled at the television at length as well over their lack of talent and knowledge of variety acts... this performance by David Hasselhoff being a prime example. YouTube - david hasselhoff - jump into my car (live) Now, let's be realistic. These people were cast as personalities "playing the role" of judges. Their personality is their commodity, not their judging abilities. You could get any 3 people out of the audience to judge something with similar results. Piers, Sharon and David are on the show because they are known names (at least somewhere). Ultimately the "judging" is done by te American public so knowledge of talent is very subjective at this point and it's all at the mercy of who calls in the most. Quote:
These idiots want to see "different" acts over and over again, not realizing that magicians and many other performers perform the same act over and over again for decades. That is what a professional does. Amateurs do different acts for the same people. After the so-called judges see an act once it then becomes useless to them. and they grow bored. But quality is more important than quantity. I totally understand your sentiment. It is also true that television "eats up material". They are reacting much the same way average (not magician) viewers would at seeing the same act over and over again. Is it right? It doesn't matter... it's the way the show is framed and if you want to go on the show you should know that going in. You need (at the very least) three 90 second spots... that's it. Does it help to have more? absolutely. They're asking for your best 4 1/2 minutes of material. That's what it takes to play the game.
Ray Pierce
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MikeLarkin New user 86 Posts |
Actually it is relevant, since Piers got sacked for the biggest example of faking being passed off as genuine for years! He didn't just suddenly pop-up as a judge you know, he did have a prior career.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
The Circus guy last night got buzzed...
IMHO I agreed with the judges it was not that entertaining... That type of act could go over big in another venue and at the right place..once the character had been established. Alls not always fair in war and AGT.
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
drlaugh4u@gmail.com music, magic and marvelous toys http://magician.org/member/drlaugh4u |
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2009-08-26 10:45, MikeLarkin wrote: Mike... You haven't really defined what the "it" is referencing in your post. but I'm really glad you dug up some well known dirt on Piers, we can all rest easy now knowing that he's not just "twit" but a documented twit. There, we finally got that out of the way. Now what does that have to do with his role on the show? Remember, regardless of how you define it, he's playing a judge but is there as a "personality". In fact they were looking for a "Simon Cowell type" to play that role of the "English Curmudgeon" and he fit the bill nicely. His judging ability or knowledge of talent isn't the reason for his casting. Do you think Sharon Osbourne was the best judge of talent they could find? Of course not but she was a personality that had just enough exposure via her series to be known by the public. If "The Osbournes" wouldn't have aired she would probably not be sitting there and it helps that one of the Exec. Producers was the producer of her show as well. To be very clear... they don't need a definitive judge of talent, they need a celebrity with an opinion... that is all. We tend to place too much importance on the celebrities that are in place as "judges" when in fact anyone could be sitting there. They could literally have trained monkeys pushing the buzzers if they thought it would make a better show and wrote it into the rules. It really doesn't mater to the producers as they typically have the final say on who moves on. At that point it's up to the voting public who has even LESS knowledge about talent but that's the way this game works. If you want to take a shot and play the game, you need to go by their rules.
Ray Pierce
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MikeLarkin New user 86 Posts |
I understand what you mean, in regards to lack of clarity. Basically I was talking about the original poster, who was called out for trying to pass something fake off as real, which I found slightly ironic. Also slightly silly, when he is talking about a magic act. The reason I mentioned it at all is I thought it would have been a good comeback for that particular situation.
The whole Got Talent brand is an offshoot of the Pop Idol/X Factor thing. Difference is, having judges like Cowell, Sharon Osbourne and Louis Walsh (not sure about the American version) makes sense as they are all highly regarded music managers and promoters. I mean Sharon Osbourne managed to turn a constantly drunk and frazzled Ozzy Osbourne into metal's biggest act through shrewd management, so she was worthy of a place. Of course the fact she had not been involved in the pop world seemed slightly strange. I find the whole Got Talent franchise bizarre though, as Cowell (who is a judge on the UK version), Morgan Osbourne, et al do not actually seem to have the right credentials for a variety show. I mean, how many non music acts had they managed before the show, and also should there not be more balance on the panel? In fact what qualifies a disgraced former newspaper editor to be a judge on such a show at all? It is widely known Cowell always wants a singer to win, as he can shift even more albums after all the free publicity, but it also goes against the spirit of the show. Of course a professional variety show would be much better, but that does not seem to have the advantages of millions in phone votes and albums sales..... |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
Personally I think the whole show is a "scam" and is scripted. At least most of it.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On 2009-08-24 11:21, MikeLarkin wrote: I would think that involvement in a Hoax in the past would be relevant when considering a Hoax in the present. Seems logical to me. Why not?
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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gadfly3d Special user 963 Posts |
The irony is that all these "reality" shows are a scam, or if you prefer an Illusion. The problem here is that you have a half-wit who buys into the illusion and then since he is fooled has to behave like a 9 year old screaming "O that's a trick".
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ringmaster Inner circle Memphis, Down in Dixie 1974 Posts |
Strange, Nigel and Siamon once wrote and directed a musical about Tommy Cooper.
One of the last living 10-in-one performers. I wanted to be in show business the worst way, and that was it.
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Frank Russell Regular user Atlanta Georgia 128 Posts |
A buddy of mine was a country music singer on casino ships in Florida. He tried out and was told he wouldn't make it because he is too fat. I'll give you a guess which idiot told him that. Granted, he was a big guy but he was a very talented artist. Fast forward to a couple months ago...I keep referring to him in the past tense because he passed away from a heart attact. He was super stressed out because the economy was causing his work to minimize. I am sure his weight was a factor too but he has been overweight all his life. Anyway, if he had been given a chance, maybe he would still be with us. Who knows? Rest in peace Pizza Bob.
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