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Servante;
Why do you feel the need to post the info? It's in many books. Curious people may look it up. It would not hurt people to actually read the material in their magic libraries.

For those really interested in this illusion, check out the January 1996 issue of MAGIC magazine. The Blue Room is the cover story and shows photos of the actual setup used at the conference. Very interesting. One look at this story/photos and you will see why traveling with this illusion would be a real pain - plus viewing angles are limited with such illusions.
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Well, MR, it is as I have written: I'll likely post it in the Secret Sessions. As for why I WOULD post it, if memory serves, it is a portable version of the illusion, which was the topic at hand.

If I find it in the files and it turns out not to be as I remember it, I likely won't post it. But, gee, this is about magicians helping magicians, innit?
I promise not to post the secret behind Zig Zag or Origami or Sawing an Enemy in Half (Perhaps I've said too much; however, I have an alibi for that particular crime and no jury in the land would convict me).

That same article actually DOES have several other reveals...including firing someone out of a cannon into a trunk suspended above the audience...and a sawing in half trick...a "Venus Rising from the Sea"...a coin changing pocket trick and a few others.

I believe, if I remember correctly, the magazine simply applied for the patent records at the time.

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Gents,

I really consider having this built for a Theater with no more then 300 seats for now and I will not be traveling.

So I need to know how it works and what's involved. I can have the glass planes made and cut to the parameters for that stage. That is not a problem. I am also a lighting expert since my main hat was cinematographer for many years.
Can someone perhaps scan the issue of the 1996 Magic Magazine and mail me a pdf?
Any info would help for now.

Thanks.
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On 2009-12-20 20:20, Silvio Solaris wrote:
Gents,

I really consider having this built for a Theater with no more then 300 seats for now and I will not be traveling.

So I need to know how it works and what's involved. I can have the glass planes made and cut to the parameters for that stage. That is not a problem. I am also a lighting expert since my main hat was cinematographer for many years.
Can someone perhaps scan the issue of the 1996 Magic Magazine and mail me a pdf?
Any info would help for now.

Thanks.


The Blue Room is a bit more complicated than the Pepper's Ghost. It doesn't rely on glass cut to a specific shape, but on custom silvering of a large, heavy mirror. The original gimmick was said to have cost Kellar about $2000 in the early 1900's. Then, even if you have the gimmick made, the mechanics of the illusion get pretty complicated, too. Not that the Magic article wouldn't be informative, it really doesn't go into the fine details of what would need to be done. I don't mean to sound discouraging, but if you are really serious about building this into a theater, I would skip looking for advice from a public forum like this and contact Mike Caveney in California. He would be the expert in what would need to be done to accomplish this illusion.

Thanks,
Richard
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Thank you, I appreciate the info.
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I have been using blue room illusions in advertising and Christmas plays for many years, recently experimenting with plastic sheet on a large wood frame. Mylar, having a smoother surface than glass, gives the best image, but is difficult to stretch without some wrinkling near the frame. The shrink plastic used to cover windows in winter can be put on stretch with a hair dryer to produce an adequate reflective surface for our purposes -- a magical appearance of Balthazzar and an angel floating in a room. It is lightweight, quick to set up, safe from shattering, but fragile to transport. Our frame is 7 x 12 feet, but could be up to 25 feet wide. Appearances and disappearances are accomplished using two identical rooms, usually one upright and the other horizontally below, hidden from the audience, with the occupant(s) in the upper. When lighting switches from upper to lower, the occupants disappear. If light leakage between the rooms is a problem, this can be solved using a sheer black scrim over one or both of the room openings. For ghosts, the lower room is black, containing the "ghost" and light leakage is not a problem. Similarly, people can walk through solid objects, appear to be on fire etc.
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On 2009-11-14 14:43, wmhegbli wrote:
We had a silvering shop in our town, it is now out of business as he retired. His son did not want to continue the business. They made mirrors from scratch. A Silversmith is what you are looking for in getting custom mirrors made.


Before you go asking a silversmith to make a mirror for you, remember that most silversmiths do not make mirrors. In fact, these days, most mirrors are made with alumina rather than silver.

Check with a telescope repair facility. It will still cost you a bump, because most of them do not handle reflectors as large as you will need.
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If I remember reading the article correctly that discribed the trouble they had to go throught to make the Blue Room, the mirror cost them $10,000.00 to have made at the time.
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On 2009-11-13 23:42, Dark Knight wrote:
I'm looking for partially and gradually silvered glass/mirrors. Does anyone know where I could find them?

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Making a Mirror is not too difficult. I"d have to think a bit about the way to do a gradually reflective mirror.
The process of silvering a piece of glass is as simple as precoating with a tin chloride solution followed by silver nitrate.
Essentially it's a non-electrical platting process.

From EBAY, you can get stannous chloride for less than $15.00 (that is 1/4 pound which will last you an eternity)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Stannous-Chlorid......74070d87
Silver Nitrate, on the other hand is a lot more expensive ~$1 / gramme
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silver-Nitrate-A......70464478

One possible way of doing the graduated mirror effect might be to do a graduated fill with the backing coating.
So, if you evenly coat the glass with silver, but gradually coat the back with black paint, you you likley get a gradual mirror effect from semi transparent (like a two-way mirror) all the way to a fully reflective mirror surface where the pain is completely opaque.

If you need/want more details on how to coat the mirror yourself, PM me unless this is something other people would be interested in.

Can you clarify what the graduated mirror is for?

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The issue is not the silvering of a gradual mirrror. that's rather easy. Any glass shop can do that. The problem is with the leading edge.
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I would say that the graduated mirror is to create a smoother transition as opposed to a defined line in the "appearance".
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If you want to create this illusion (blue room),
you can contact John Gaughan or
Jim Steinmeyer, because they
re-created this illusion many
years ago.Today this illusion is used
in the musical Ghosts (consultant Paul Kieve).
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The Pepper Ghost can be made easily with plastic wrap and proper lighting. There was a link to a website a long time ago about this..

The best way to do this is email Paul Osborne [email]bentli@aol.com[/email] and ask him. I know he has plans for this and the Blue Room.

-Dennis
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Take a look at Jim Steinmeyer's publication:

Two Lectures On Theatrical Illusion. "The Science Behind The Ghost". "Discovering Invisibility".

It was published around 2001 and it contained some amazing information on the subject.
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Also not, Peppers Ghost, and Blue Room are two completely different illusions.
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There are many compaines who now offer the Pepper's Ghost style effects.

serach youtube and google and you will find an endless supply. Though these are not really in the form of a "magic show".
But it's a good place to see what modern day has brought to this old effect.

In my eyes- if one wanted to present the Pepper's Ghost in a magic show setting- one would really need to think on how to make it different. As this effect is all over the place today.
But still a great effect.


I second Jim's book- as it covers all aspects of the Pepper's Ghost.
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Would using front surface rather tah rear surface mirrors make a difference? and rather than silvering apiece of glass. could you scrape off the existing silver. Which do you think would be more rime consuming?
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On 2012-05-10 04:50, Philip Hitchcock wrote:
Take a look at Jim Steinmeyer's publication:

Two Lectures On Theatrical Illusion. "The Science Behind The Ghost". "Discovering Invisibility".

It was published around 2001 and it contained some amazing information on the subject.

Does anybody know where to find this Lectures?
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Secondary market.
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Secondary market.

Ok, thanks!
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