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I took the Smile as the mark of sarcasm. Sorry
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Animation, you miss my point or maybe you disagree. I have in my possession a signed card that a magican gave me when I was a young lad. It is one of my prize possessions because it reminds me of a strong emotional time I had as a layperson I don't think I would have kept a $100 bill even if the magician gave it to me I probably would have spent it. So although the effect at the time may have been stronger does it last? And do you think that money has a stronger emotional hook than your signature? I actually prefer the bent coin type effects because you can leave them with something but once again it's the story your weave around the effect and the significance you attach to what you leave that is the real magic.

I am not criticising the Handout 500, it is a great innovation and will suit many magicians perfectly, expecially, and I say this with a hint of sarcasm, when performing for your magic buddies who know the other methods, this would really fool them. However a layperson seeing magic for the first time has no idea about all this stuff. I am just saying be cautious, don't fall in love with the clean finish, think about the overall effect you will have on these good people and maybe, and sometimes it does happen, they throw money in your direction.
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"The main reason why we never handed out all the money before was because we couldn't "

I disagree, here are some other alternative reasons you may want to consider:

1. because you will have to ask for it back
2. because it is not natural to hand your money over to complete strangers
3. because of the risk of never getting it back
4. because there is no point in handing over your money other than for examination
5. because it wastes time and can disrupt the flow
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"The main reason why we never handed out all the money before was because we couldn't "

I agree, hear are some other alternative reasons you may want to condider:

Or you can simply Do it to pay for things or ask for a tweenty and change four ones to four fives and exchange money.
From someone who has done most versions of this effect I can tell you,
1 no problem getting your money back(swap cash for cash)
2very natural that a spectator suspects trick bills no matter how pretty it is and handing them out at the end does make it a deeper mystery.
3 same as 1
4because handing them out enhances the effect even more!
5 Anytime your working for a crowd,you never know what someone may say when their having a good time,thus disrupting your "flow", so if your a pro,im sure you have worked on those things.
This to me is the strongest version of the multi bill change to a spectator and I have done them all.
For what it's worth.
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I got my package a couple of days ago. It's very very clever. Such a different approach. Great thinking.

That said, I prefer Extreme burn.

I think they are pretty much on a par with each other for a one off performance, but Extreme Burn resets its self. I can cleanly take it out of my wallet and cleanly put it back, then just go to the next table and do the effect again. There's no reset what so ever. I don't mind a quick reset if there's a huge pay off for the effect that needs it, but I don't see one here.

I think the illusion with Extreme burn is just as good and if people want to feel the money (which they often do) then I offer them the fan and let them take a note to feel. They can take any of the notes except the one on the bottom. It's not much of a force.

Not knocking Handout 500 at all. It's an incredible idea, but I think Extreme Burn is still the best available for a close-up worker.

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On 2009-11-22 06:41, Damian Surr wrote:
I got my package a couple of days ago. It's very very clever. Such a different approach. Great thinking.

That said, I prefer Extreme burn.

I think they are pretty much on a par with each other for a one off performance, but Extreme Burn resets its self. I can cleanly take it out of my wallet and cleanly put it back, then just go to the next table and do the effect again. There's no reset what so ever. I don't mind a quick reset if there's a huge pay off for the effect that needs it, but I don't see one here.

I think the illusion with Extreme burn is just as good and if people want to feel the money (which they often do) then I offer them the fan and let them take a note to feel. They can take any of the notes except the one on the bottom. It's not much of a force.

Not knocking Handout 500 at all. It's an incredible idea, but I think Extreme Burn is still the best available for a close-up worker.

Cheers
Damian


To each his own and like you said,their both great.
To me the pay off is canceling out the solution that a spectator will come up with after I'm gone.
Both get wonderful reactions and spectators will enjoy both,but HandOut500 gets my vote as far as being more mystifying.
Everyones different and as for me,i tend to go with John Carneys view on what the priorities of a magician is and is why I prefer this.
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I love the creativity in the Handout effect. I find it is not as smooth as EB where you can spread the ones and play with them quite naturally and then do the magical change. The Handout effect is a wonderful option though. I simply as the spectator to hold her hand out while I count the bills into her hand. The misdirection of counting bills into her hand and all eyes on her allows easier cover for what has to be done next. Once she confirms that their are five bills and they are all "real" I simply take them back and either use the money or put it away.

I can't wait for EB #2. All new magic is a hopeful improvement on what presently exists. If it is a thinner package, or the use of a magnet, or the ability to handout bills, these are all creative improvements that the creator should be compensated for. I can read a book and then it sits on my shelf for years or is given away. The magical effects I choose to carry in my wallet are part of my social personality and each improvement is an investment in my craft. I enjoy performing for myself as much as other people. Thank you to all creators. Nice work!
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"End clean and everything is examinable" is ad copy to get hobbyists that are worried about being caught a reason to buy a new version of an old trick. I know, because it works on me. lol.

After reading the Café posts the last three years, I get the impression that people that earn a living performing magic don't hand out props to prove anything. Post after post says the same thing and that is if they are asking to see the props, etc. then you are doing something wrong.

I think if you hand something out, you are saying it isn't a trick, that it's real magic. Why can't they keep the bills? You can always make more, right?
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On 2009-11-22 13:13, Joe Mauro wrote:...
I think if you hand something out, you are saying it isn't a trick, that it's real magic. Why can't they keep the bills? You can always make more, right?


Thanks. Delighted to read something that's so close to lucid thinking.

Not gonna push my luck by posting "please folks, can we have some more?".

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On 2009-11-22 12:06, judgehiker wrote:
I love the creativity in the Handout effect. I find it is not as smooth as EB where you can spread the ones and play with them quite naturally and then do the magical change. The Handout effect is a wonderful option though. I simply as the spectator to hold her hand out while I count the bills into her hand. The misdirection of counting bills into her hand and all eyes on her allows easier cover for what has to be done next. Once she confirms that their are five bills and they are all "real" I simply take them back and either use the money or put it away.

I can't wait for EB #2. All new magic is a hopeful improvement on what presently exists. If it is a thinner package, or the use of a magnet, or the ability to handout bills, these are all creative improvements that the creator should be compensated for. I can read a book and then it sits on my shelf for years or is given away. The magical effects I choose to carry in my wallet are part of my social personality and each improvement is an investment in my craft. I enjoy performing for myself as much as other people. Thank you to all creators. Nice work!


Well put judgehiker and thank you for being such a gentlman.
Steve
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On 2009-11-22 13:13, Joe Mauro wrote:
I think if you hand something out, you are saying it isn't a trick, that it's real magic. Why can't they keep the bills? You can always make more, right?


Let me get this straight: if someone asked you after you performed EB if you could do it with their money, you'd say it was just a trick? Well same thing for HO500; even if at the end of the trick they think it's real and they ask you to do it to their money, you tell them it was just a trick. At that very moment, both tricks are at the same point and HO500 wins, in my opinion, because it leaves no explanation as to how you pulled off the trick. It's just a deeper mystery and I highly doubt anyone on the face of the planet believes or will ever believe that you can actually transform currency with real magical powers. It' just not believable, regardless how it looks and how clean it is.
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I think if you hand something out, you are saying it isn't a trick, that it's real magic. Why can't they keep the bills? You can always make more, right?


Let me get this straight: if someone asked you after you performed EB if you could do it with their money, you'd say it was just a trick?


I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. What I am alluding to is the possible problem of handing out 5, $100 bills that were magically created from 5, $1.00 bills. What if they put it in their pockets and say thanks and they aren't kidding. They believe in real magic ( there are many that do ) and think you can do this all day. Maybe, even worse, they are merely challenging you. They refise to return it until you do admit it's a trick.Many professional performers have told about people pocketing the coin they handed out.

I didn't think, from the demo, that the change in Hand Out 500 was as magical looking as Extreme Burn or Prophet( which I use ). The trade off, as I understand it, is that you can hand out the bills for examination in Hand Out 500. But I see that as a problem in the wings, not a strength. This just got released. It may take some time before someone reports a problem. A $500 problem

Maybe if you are bartending, then they know it's a trick( why would you be working if you could make $100's). If you are on the street, etc. they may think something else.

Anyway, it's just my opinion and I'm not a professional performer.
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On 2009-11-22 13:13, Joe Mauro wrote:
I think if you hand something out, you are saying it isn't a trick, that it's real magic. Why can't they keep the bills? You can always make more, right?


Let me get this straight: if someone asked you after you performed EB if you could do it with their money, you'd say it was just a trick?


I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. What I am alluding to is the possible problem of handing out 5, $100 bills that were magically created from 5, $1.00 bills. What if they put it in their pockets and say thanks and they aren't kidding. They believe in real magic ( there are many that do ) and think you can do this all day. Maybe, even worse, they are merely challenging you. They refise to return it until you do admit it's a trick.Many professional performers have told about people pocketing the coin they handed out.

I didn't think, from the demo, that the change in Hand Out 500 was as magical looking as Extreme Burn or Prophet( which I use ). The trade off, as I understand it, is that you can hand out the bills for examination in Hand Out 500. But I see that as a problem in the wings, not a strength. This just got released. It may take some time before someone reports a problem. A $500 problem

Maybe if you are bartending, then they know it's a trick( why would you be working if you could make $100's). If you are on the street, etc. they may think something else.

Anyway, it's just my opinion and I'm not a professional performer.


I have two sets which one is set up for four ones to four fives and one set for five ones to five tweenties.
I ask for a tweenty/hundred and as they hold it I change my four ones into four fives/five tweenties and exchange money with them at the same moment.
Now I have no worries and still get the handout ending.
After a bit I exchange bills again after I have did something amazing with THEIR money!
Total cost tied up in both gimmicks is twelve bucks!
No Reason to worrie about handing out the bills,as you have theirs,so your even!
This is the only really new approach to this effect and a great one at that!
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I don't have Handout 500, but I think handing out the changed bills is very strong if it's handled as a real transpo and not a transformation ( meaning you didn't change bills into a higher denomination, but teleported them like Brundle Fly ).

You can use a switch wallet. Open the wallet and show the 5, 1's and 5, $5's ( since it's a transpo I don't think you have to turn it into $100's ).

Take out the stack of $1's and hand them the wallet to hold. Turn the 1's into $5's, hand them the stack to examine and take the wallet back and open it and show the $5's.
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A transposition would be a nice alternative instead of doing the standard transformation. Combining Handout 500 and Tony Miller's Hip Pocket Bombshell wallet would work perfectly for a transpo effect.

Or instead of a transpo you could show the empty wallet, change the $1's to $100's, and then show that the $1's have appeared back inside the wallet. You would have to think of some patter that would justify doing this so it would make sense of course.
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I have to say that Hand Out 500 is absolutely brilliant. It will be the only multiple bill switch I perform. I always thought about handing out the bills even while doing Extreme Burn. IMHO it is great detail and certainly adds to the effect.

Furthermore the bills thickness before and after the change looks like only 5 bills when held and the gimmick is very deceptive and very easy to disguise.

Steve covers every detail of the handout and as bonus presents an impossible card to wallet that is worth the price of the DVD alone.

Highly recommended.

Very well done Steve.
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Well I'm in the "if you hand it out - they can keep it" camp. Has this been discussed already on the forum? I think it's a fascinating debate. Have a look at the post - "Handing things out" isn't always necessary. I think you should try to leave your contact details wherever you can i.e. a business card or your own playing cards. BUT it appears that to many, being able to hand things out is important BUT is it important to the audience?
Now I don't think we are off topic here, the name of this effect is HANDOUT 500 the inventor strongly believes that this is the strength of the effect and Paul Harris endorses it so who am I to question it BUT we should THINK as an entertainer and not fall in love with the method.
I am just more comfortable not handing stuff out whereas others would prefer to hand stuff out I am happy to agree to disagree Smile
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Would there be any issue with doing the change in reverse? I don't know that changing 1's to 100's has to cause any issue with handing the bills out but just in case, why can't you play it as a, let me show you how I hide my money routine. I can see getting peoples attention by flashing around some 100's and then saying something like, if I am ever in trouble I just BOOM!!! change the 100's into 1's. I mean, how low do you have be to take a guys last 5 bucks... and if they do, they get $5, big deal.

Would this scenario mean making the gimmick much more expensive?
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Would this scenario mean making the gimmick much more expensive?


Yes.
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Hi all.

Silvio Solaris
Glad you like it and wish you continued success in your Magic Career.

I think you lose the Fantasy Factor of the effect when you go down in denomination,but I like the Patter that Kaliix mentions.
A way to do that and still have the Fantasy factor is to get some nice fake million dollar bills and change them to real cash of your choosing and the "let me show you how I hide my money" line would go well with that,even if you change them to ones!
Also,some people don't even like flashing larg bills at all,so you could change,say fives to blanks and hand out blanks.
But like I said,you don't have to hand out the bills,but many presentations have been offered,so you have their money as they have yours and so on,so it's a non issue. I think out of 16 pages,there is more than enough info about HandOut500 and it's unique features.

As far as handing things out,i only do it when the effect is enhanced by doing so.
Performing a coins across with a shell and the last coin travels to the spectators hands and the coins are left in their hands,Sponge balls with three changing to 20 in their hands.
Anything that enhances the spectators senses,such as visual,feel/touch,sound and so on,or that cancels out an obvious solution in the spectators minds is important tools that any serious Magician considers.

Someone mentioned Asking for a tweenty and changing four ones to four fives and handing out the fives as they take the spectators tweenty and then doing something magical with their bill,Which is a great idea and after you made it float,stuck a pen through it or what ever,give it back to them as you take your fives back.
Well structured and you have their money while they have yours and you get another effect out of it at the same time.
Bravo!
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