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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Hi Mindpunisher. I do not agree that you lose any of the mystique of hypnosis by losing the fear. I don't dumb down hypnosis when I come on to circus music. But I get far more volunteers.
In a more mentalist oriented act I am more willing to be dark and mysterious. And well into a hypnosis show that is going well I can get quite dark too. But not at the start. It all begins bright and airy (and user-friendly).
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
I don't think fear is really the right word.. Its not the same fear as the dentist. Its a kind of excitment akin to going to a funfair or watching a scarey film except its none of those either its unique to a hypnosis show.
Its also if done correctly an aid to eliciting states of high suggestabilty... The only time I ever had problems getting volunteers was when there was loads of bad press and witch hunts in the media. Outwith that time I've had no problem... I'm not saying you won't do a show that's succesful in that youl get paid. what I am saying is that an audience will miss out on a part of what I believe is a pure entertainment experience which should be part of the overal mix. From a hypnosis point of view (which you won't get)it makes complete sense. If I was doing a clown act I would dress as a clown and act like one.... If I am a hypnotist I will act like a hypnotist. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
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On 2009-08-21 15:32, mindpunisher wrote: That's the most boring line you've ever come up with. Have a wee bit of imagination for Chrissakes! Don't run with the pack. Try and be a bit different. You don't have to have a naff waiscoat and your shirt tucked into your flannels with your black patented shoes with 3inch lifts in the heels. Who in their right mind would dress 'like a hypnotist' or even believe that: 'a hypnotist dresses like THIS'.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
You don't have to dress like that to BE a hypnotist. I never did. I wore a waist coat I admit for a while. But I also wore jeans and a teeshirt. Which was picked up on with the press at the time. Not great marketing just too lazy to dress up.
But the biggest folley you can make in advertising or marketing is to be different just for the sake of being different. that's why all the old big and pretentious advertising agencies of the 80s and 90s have all disappeared. Because originality is no substitute for tried and tested and proven strategies. Peter Powers used to dress like that I have no idea if he still does. But he could never be acused of being boring. Perhaps you have a low threshold when it comes to sticking with something that works? |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Ok, good argument. Y'see? You're getting better and better at this.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Hi Mindpunisher. I am inclined to agree with you slightly. The "fear" before a hypnosis show is not real fear. It is anticipation. It is just that I know my acting limitations, and I am not a guy who does serious very well. So it works for me to play it light.
But on your point about dress I have to disagree. When I do a clown I do it in a suit. So did Charlie Chaplin, Pee Wee Hermin, Peter Sellers, and a host of other greats. I would never do a clown in traditional white face and jester motley. I would just blend in with the other clowns. And when I do a show for adults I either dress casual, or I go flamboyant. Since I am a big fat balding guy flamboyant works better than casual for me. The clown outfit that I hypnotised in was more along the lines of a Roy Chubby Brown suit than big shoes and red nose, by the way. We need to give the people what they expect, but we also need to confound those expectations. That keeps it from going stale. Tony.
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RobertTemple Regular user Newcastle, UK 174 Posts |
OK.. well Mindpunisher obviously doesn't like the sound of my video opening.. I know he'd be inclined to like it more if he saw how well it works. To be honest your opening sounds more like some Bon Jovi concert.. anyone agree? Are these theatre and large venues that you actually worked or that you dreamed of working.. cos, I (and many of my hypnotist mates have never heard of you (Brian Halliday) within a hypnosis context?!) Has anyone else? Perhaps if you had some sort of video evidence of all of these bigger shows or venues then you'd have more credibility on here than you really do. (http://www.ComedyHypnosis.co.uk/Trailer.swf)
Secondly MP, you said the words: "From a hypnosis point of view (which you won't get)it makes complete sense." What you actually mean is that if we don't agree with you, it's easier to say that we are simply too thick to agree! LMAO. There's two ways to do everything folks - MP's way and the wrong way! RT |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Without getting into the "measuring contest" which is evolving currently I want to interject a thing about venue "size".
I have done exactly 0 shows for over 10,000 people. I have always thought of hypnosis as an intimate setting sort of thing where the closer to me and the stage and the volunteers on that stage the audience is the better I like it. I prefer 300 to 500 people for the show and not HUGE mega venues. The closer they are to me and the stage the better able they are to see the people they CAME TO SEE IN THE FIRST PLACE! So instead of "large" or "bigger venues" why not put numbers on it so I can quantify it in my mind. Is 1000 big? Or is it HUGE? As I said my ideal target is 300 to 500 and no more. It can be intimate still but much over that FOR ME it loses something and I don't like it. For a bunch of hypnotists it seems as if language skills are serverly lacking in this area of the Magic Café. I think that is "ironic" but am not sure.
Danny Doyle
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
My audiences were around 1000. I got the idea from Robert Halpern when I saw him at age 15. However having said that its basic hypnosis not bonjovi. Bobser was right it has been used by people like hitler to control the masses.
And Robert No I don't like your idea - still keep using it. Why not? you don't really get what I'm talking about. Im sure it makes you feel good. And that's what seems to be important to you. So go for it. Ive sold at least three hundred - four hundred products on this site. I guess you just don't know the right people. A 1000 is fine 10,000 is no good. And if you are playing to that size of audience then they didn't pay to see you - you are a guest on some other programme. I have spoken to mentalists who say they have played to large audiences - but when questioned they were part of another programme. People didn't pay to see them. Robert why don't you do a little more research on hypnosis in general and you will find the way I used to poen my show (which wasn't my idea) is well known way to induce trance. Also do a little research on direct response marketing vs brand awareness marketing to understand that focusing in on the mental processes of your audience instead of tying to build yourself up has much more impact. Hypnosis and marketing are closely aligned. And some of the most successful marketeers in the world know quite a lot about hypnosis. As a young guy I'm not surprised you don't know much about the subject outwith the mechanics of a stageshow. There is no right or wrong way I just prefer mine. Its not even mine. I got it from other sources. Good Im glad youve never heard of me that was always my plan. I no longer wish to sell products to the "community". I have never wanted to sell stage hypnosis courses as I believe its a sell out. And it saddens me to see the "art" raped for a few pounds. If you could make decent money from performing you wouldn't be sellilng stage hypnosis courses and that's a fact. Apart from on here I've never heard of you either. Again you wouldn't understand that so just keep on what your doing so long as you're happy. I was doing shows when you were a sperm fighting for an egg. And earning more pound for pound which is at least 10 times your current fees at todays prices for similar venues. Robert your credibility evaporated after your long promotion a while back. I even believed you for a while. I thought you were doing a theatre venue. I was even ready to congratulate you...then I took a look and saw it was a pub. When you do long theatre runs I will listen to you and give you the respect you obviously crave. And I will admit you were right and I was wrong. Until then ... |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2009-08-22 18:16, TonyB2009 wrote: Tony I am not disagreeing with you totally either. My early experiences going to see hypnotists as a teenager are still with me. I remember the feeling of excitement anticipation and tension as the build up started for the show. Its still there etched in my memory. I remember my feelings of awe seeing the theatrical rituals leading to the induction. They are still with me even now as I type. In this age of quick fixes its no wonder hypnosis has went down a route of rapid inductions and ways that are more to do with ego stroking of the hypnotist rather than the maximizing of the experience of the audience. Yet whenever I speak to someone and tell them I am a hypnotist the same excitement and tension is there. That has never changed. I just think its a lost opportunity to give them an additional layer of entertainment that should go go with hypnosis shows. Its my opinion its my experience - no one has to listen. But ask yourself do some of your changes stop it becoming stale for YOU or your audience? I didn't have to act it was all done with the music / fake subliminals etc.. Its not the right way - its mearly the way I prefer. And it may not be suitable for every venue type. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
>>>>First, for a show, what he said is perfect. I know there are some hypnotherapists who have videos of pretalks running in their waiting room or ask clients to watch the pretalk before the hypnotist arrives<<<
Criag I can't even see why anyone would have such a thing in a therapy context? I really can't see any value. Therapy is about interaction with the therapist. Its not even about hypnosis really. Well no in the version of hyonosis these "therapists" use. |
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briandavidphillips Regular user 121 Posts |
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On 2009-08-22 23:06, mindpunisher wrote: If you check Cal Banyan's book with Jerry Kein, they recommend that therapists use this approach . . . having a video pretalk play in the waiting room while the hypnotherapist is in session with someone else. The theory is that they can then more efficiently answer any remaining questions after the client's seen the explanatory video and thus streamline things. I disagree in that I believe that customizing one's interaction is more likely to make the encounter more personal and more effective. However, others do indeed swear by the approach and claim it cuts down on long wordy pretalk and thus allows more time for therapy work. To each their own. As to using a powerpoint as part of a show pretalk, I don't reccommend it if the powerpoint is only there for talking points . . . your talking points for pretalk in relationship to a show should be short and to the point and entertaining . . . unless there's something particularly entertainment-enhancing that you are doing with the powerpoint, then give it a miss. Powerpoints can be useful for lectures (my "day job" is as a university professor so I'm no stranger to using powerpoint as a bulletpoint repository) but it's not really designed for entertainment - although studies have shown that the "content value" and "information density" of academic conferences has gone way down as the use of powerpoint bells and whistles has increased. Focus on the core of your presentation . . . with the primary goals of entertainment or information in mind as you design your approach. All the best, Brian
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
To be honest Brian Ive never ever had to answer any questions about hypnosis ever while doing therapy. Because Ive never ever focused in on hypnosis. All my therapy is done over a five hour period with one client.
There is a pre call over the phone where they have to justify to me that I can work with them. Plus during this call I strive to understand THEM and give them an experience of being understood rather than them understanding hypnosis..This initself is a great relief for most people. I also explain to them the various options open to them counseling, hypnotherapy etc and what to expect. I also give them my price and give them a task to do before I will see them. I also tell them to shop around if they want before coming back. Because I know they probably won't and if they do the responses they get won't match what I have offered them. No one really wants hypnosis its just a tool - they want to change something in their lives. They then have to do some homework send it to me a week before the therapy with a check. When they come to see me its all about removing their problem very little is about explaining hypnosis. They get a full money back guarantee if I do not solve the problem. They get telephone coaching sessions if needed for a month (they never are) I charge between £1000 - 15000 usually for business people...public I would charge 600 - 800 although I don't do public anymore or at least don't look fpr that kind of work. I don't see any need for videos or gimmiks and I only see one client per day. Even in sales most sales people make the mistake of trying to get the customer to understand them and their products. However people buy because they feel understood and what you offer them will help them get what they want. They don't care how they get it. To focus in on hypnosis is not the most effective way... in my experience. I don't even really look for therapy work these days. All my efforts are now focused on providing marketing programmes for companies. However a part of marketing is the mental side so I occasionally do one of those sessions for a client as part of the whole programme. I don't know about other parts of the world. But I have known dozens of hypnotherapists in this country over the years and not one of them made a reasonable living from hypnotherapy. They all scratched a living and were lucky to break even on their yellow page advertising. This is why I moved away from that approach years ago. My current objective is to sign clients up for a year. Therefore two or three clients will give me a good living. |
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
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On 2009-08-23 09:15, mindpunisher wrote: Hmm. My current objective as a hypnotherapist is to help people. It's amazing how nice a living one can make when their goal is ecological rather than self-aggrandizing. And I can sleep well, too! |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
... ouch!
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2009-08-24 14:43, dmkraig wrote: Well I guess craig most amatuers would focus on helping people. However professionals know that in order to actually help people you have to earn a living. And try and read my posts for a change. You will see I moved away from being a hypnotherapist ooo about 12 years ago. Its pretty clear I don't do that work anymore. Occasionally I still do therapy I charge more than a hypnotherapist but I also offer a lot more value. Which of course has a full money back guarantee. Incase theres something wrong with your eyes as well as your brain - I will repeat I sign up business people t o year long programmes. I generate wealth for my clients. Again they can opt out each month and get their money back if I don't deliver. A skill that I doubt you would even know where to start with. You see I've been focusing on helping people for over 20 years. that's a given. Now I focus on the best business model that's suits both parties. that's something you can only dream about. From reading your posts your still struggling with the basic concepts of hypnosis and NLP I suggest you focus on helping yourself first and actually learn bothe skill and the theory. Then perhaps focus on helping others. You should also consider therapy yourself for those confused and deluded posts you make. >>>>It's amazing how nice a living one can make when their goal is ecological rather than self-aggrandizing. And I can sleep well, too!<<<< that's rather a "self-aggrandizing" statement to make is it not? For someone who demonstrates such a shakey grasp of your craft I don't think your practice could be described as ecological. Surely you have to understand what your doing first? |
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RobertTemple Regular user Newcastle, UK 174 Posts |
MindPunisher.. I'm only going to respond to one part of our conversation. It's your line about my "long promotion" which you perceived to be a theatre venue but was actually "a pub"?? I never once claimed it was a theatre and secondly it wasn't, it was one of the UK's larger cabaret venue/nightclubs.
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dmkraig Inner circle 1949 Posts |
No, MP. Most people who end up getting out of dealing with the public as hypnotherapists were focused on making money rather than helping people. Those who love hypnosis and helping people end up being successful. I can understand why you moved away from hypnotherapy since your goal was not to help people.
I've seen nothing in your posts to indicate that you have any interest in helping anyone other than yourself. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Well I managed to move a £250,000 donation for a charity to £1million . that's £750,000 for disadvanataged kids. I think that consitutes quite a lot of help...
I had a therapy practice off and on for 10 years I got totally bored with it... Its quite simple craig I give all my clients the option of shopping around and educate them on couselling various types of therapy out there including hypnotherapy. I tell them to go see them first. I don't accept everyone since I only work with those I know I can help.(unlike the majority out there who will just keep taking fees) I then offer full money back guarantees so is kinda obvious that I help people. Now I think you might suffer from what many therapists do - guilt about asking for money or a reward equal to the service you offer. You see Ive spent an absolute fortune getting my skill base and knowledge together. Ild hate to think what Ive spent. If you want to feel like a saint and not focus on the business aspect that's up to you. I think ts important that those that seek help find the right person for them. Not everybody is for everybody. And I regularly get pms of thanks on here for the help people who say they get a lot from my posts. I often help people on here privately too. See the thing is you see what you see. From some of your posts god knows how your mind works... It must be delighful trip though. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On 2009-08-26 11:38, RobertTemple wrote: It looked like a pub/club to me Robert... Much like the venues I started with right at the beggining. I actually hope you prove me wrong and do a successful run in the future - I will be the first to congratulate you. I hope that hypnosis does come back in a big way in this country and I am wrong about some of things I believe. Until then I will keep my opinion... This is what I believe based upon my own experience... I do use the word "believe". |
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