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The Pianoman Veteran user Lliving in Scotland. 345 Posts |
Hi everyone, I have started doing OOTW recently and wondered as to other members' patter for this spectacular bit of card magic.
I am not sure whether to present it as A) Showing how easy a good card man can trick a novice by seemingly placing the cards where the spec says Red OR Black... BUT ultimately putting them back in order. B) Giving the spec credit for their built-in hidden powers. C) Deal the first set of cards (following the spec's instrucions) myself down the switchover making the counting a lot easier at the same time. It's a great visual trick that almost defies belief, but I am just not sure of the best presentation/patter. Regards Alan PS. I am not looking for word for word here guys... just general themes. |
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Jeff Inner circle Orlando, FL 1238 Posts |
Alan,
I like to use a couple and let the woman deal half and the man deal the other half. I talk about the connection between husband and wife, brother and sister, girlfriend and boyfriend. Jeff
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Platt Inner circle New York 2012 Posts |
Assuming you're not doing "Galaxy" or other versions, what patter do you all use to get around the halfway point/change of piles.
I generally say that I sense they made a mistake, check, and sure enough they have. Then I say this will mark the mistake. I hate doing that but I can't think of anything smoother. Alan, were you suggesting using the spectator switch as part of the reason for the pile change? Also, I've come to the conclusion that just dealing with the switch of piles is the best way to present this trick. In my opinion, Galaxy seems even more suspicious. Any thoughts on keeping this effect as smooth and natural as possible?
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Thomas Wayne Inner circle Alaska 1977 Posts |
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On 2002-03-28 11:48, Platt wrote: You stop them on the 24th card dealt, right? So, following the original Curry thinking, I say "Okay, hold it a second..."; if they've dealt that 24th card onto the "wrong" pile I turn it over and ask them to slow down and be a little more careful. "In fact, let's change up a little here. I'm going to switch the indicator cards because (insert your favorite motivation here)". Obviously, if the 24th card falls on the "correct" pile, I reach for the last card dealt onto the OTHER pile, and make the same comments. The logic here is that they are suddenly self-conscious because they "got one wrong" - though there is, of course, no reason they should be. Consequently, they are not likely to question any steps I might take to get things back on track. BTW, I also use a Curry move wherein I reach out and lift up the end of the top card of the talon - to retrieve a card of the opposite color for the other indicator - but then apparently have to dig deeper to take the second card. The unspoken assumption is that the top card was the opposite color of the one I needed. Following that brilliant diversion I have them shuffle the second half again, "because I saw what the top card was..." Regards, Thomas Wayne
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MattSedlak Regular user 162 Posts |
The problem, in my eyes at least, with the stacked deck versions such as OOTW, OOTG, and OOTU, are that there is not enough interaction between you and the audience. Wesley James originally brought this to my attention and at that time I had been performing Harris' OOTG. He showed me Grant's Nu-Way OOTW and I liked that and after looking at the various versions, I decided upon Harry Lorayne's Impromptu OOTW from his book My Favorite Card Tricks. I think you should take a look at these versions, as they play much stronger and will allow you to interact more. As far as presentation goes, I present it as an experiment. However, be careful that the ending does not become apparent due to your presentation.
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
Am I wrong in assuming people posting here have not read Curry's original?
Even in it's original form it is one of the strongest card tricks you can do.The trick that fooled Churchill! Certainly I know people that saw me do it almost 30 years ago and still remember that trick! I just presented it as an experiment and let them take the credit. Sure, these days it is not suitable for table hopping or more formal shows, but presented informally for friends or whatever it is still a stunner. I started doing a later Curry colour separation idea with a lucky charm from Special Effects (now in the new book) because it doesn't take as long and has a great presentational hook. Paul Hallas |
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Platt Inner circle New York 2012 Posts |
Paul,
Would you mind elaborating on the color separation idea? And are you familiar with I believe Ortiz' version where he fans a shuffled deck toward himself and pulls cards out one at a time? And what's the consensus on Galaxy vs. the tried and true Curry method?
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
It's in the new Curry book, the plot is that you show you can turn luck on and off like water from a tap.
re; And are you familiar with I believe Ortiz' version where he fans a shuffled deck toward himself and pulls cards out one at a time? No, but I'm familiar with the earlier Roy Johnson method where he does that, "Un-Worldly" in "Second Time Around" published in the early seventies. I did try Galaxy years back, but it never became a regular of mine. I seem to recall a face card changing when you did a "move" but don't recall the detail of it now. Paul Hallas |
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Mark Ennis Inner circle Raleigh, NC 1031 Posts |
I believe the person that performed it impromptu (fanning the cards to yourself) was UF Grant. That's the version I perform.
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The Pianoman Veteran user Lliving in Scotland. 345 Posts |
To Paul,
As you say, some people here have not read the original Paul Curry version... I am one of them. I just recently came across OOTW in a Peter Eldin "Amazing Magic Book" and started doing it, so all the motivation, whys and wherefores are not discussed. Only the mechanics of it, hence me starting the thread. I have of course read about the trick over the years, but just never learned it. Regards Alan PS It' great to have input from someone who has been doing it for over 30 years, I am impressed by the wealth of experiance on this site. |
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Ray Eldard New user Phoenix, AZ 90 Posts |
My favorite handling is J.C. Wagner's
"Prediction Out of This World" from The Commercial Magic of J.C. Wagner. It only uses half the deck and utilizes a Bruce Cervon idea to eliminate the need to correct anything. I also like the added prediction element of his handling where he predicts how many the spectator will miss. "Feminine Detector" in the Ron Bauer series is also a nice version of OOTW. |
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spfranz Regular user Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA 137 Posts |
I like J.C. Wagner's version as well. It's been argued that the prediction ending is anti-climactic. I have to disagree. I think it is an OOTW effect, the audience expects all along that the cards are going to be in the right piles. After all, you're doing a trick right?
I just had a thought. What if you do Wagner's version but the card piles don't even come close to being right. Then you pull out your prediction and it's predicted exactly how many cards are off. Completely different effect. Scott
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Damion Corbett Regular user 115 Posts |
Try using Derren Brown's take on "out of this world" and present it as an experiment in mentalism.
Derren's version seems to be the most direct and straight forward approach. |
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Ross W Inner circle UK 1779 Posts |
I remember receiving OOTW in an envelope from Supreme Magic nearly 25 years ago and fooled my Dad badly with it! He still has no idea and he's seen it countless times at family do's over the years!
I usually put in the line, while they are dealing, "Now obviously you're not going to get them *all* right, but let's see how you get on..." It seems to kind of take the heat off - like I've already acknowledged something. The end I usually act up slightly - "Wow! How did you manage *that*?!", or sometimes just shake my head and look amused (but not smug!). Then leave the room - it's a hard trick to follow and I find at the end of a "set" I want to leave them to wonder rather than hang around saying, "Sorry, can't tell ya." I've often wanted to try Galaxy, but OOTW is such an old fave I can do it any time anywhere, sober, not so sober...it's the dog's b*****ks!! |
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Baz94 New user Kent/Eng 91 Posts |
OOTW. I love this routine!
I sometimes add patter about a strange other dimension. There are 2 main beliefs... science and religon but I make up some patter about a third option that neither work with. I do the "Paradox card" to show a simple way the universe is manipulated and how the threads of another dimension come into play. Then I build up the talk by doing "Between the palms". After adding more about the threads of time and space and the manipulation of these threads, I tell the spec(s) it can work on them too by manipulating their minds etc. Then prceed to do the OOTW routine. |
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NickW New user Derby, UK 66 Posts |
I use 'Galaxy' and tend to go with a 'bear with me and see what happens' approach. When I reveal the correct sorting I usually stick to 'not bad'. It doesn't need any more!
My 6 year old daughter is learning a version from her DK 'My First Magic Book' - she assures me it'll be 'better than the one you do'! It includes a deliberate error as a psychological convincer, and a patter line about the power of the unconscious mind... |
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Ian Rowland Special user London 889 Posts |
Paul Curry's original instructions included the idea of asking the spec if she could visualize the Ace of Hearts as a black card, and the Ace of Spades as a red card, and then proceeding with the effect, showing at the end that these aces has ended up in the
'wrong' piles i.e. Hearts among the black and Spades among the red. Many people who do OOTW seem to leave this little wrinkle out, and I don't know why. In my experience it makes a superb trick even better and adds a real kick to their musings. I don't use Aces. I use two high value pip cards such as eight hearts and nine spades. More ink to visualize, and they stick out more in the final spreads.
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Maynooth Regular user Australia 105 Posts |
I have a routine in which I find the Kings and queens, followed by the spectator cutting to the aces. This eliminates twelve cards and since the spectator cut to the aces I ask if an experiment is in order. This gives me only 36 cards to work with, (after the four 'marker' cards are removed) which speeds it up a bit, and a reason why I would suspect the spectator able to attempt the feat.
At the point of putting in the new marker cards I suggest that 'I sense your losing concentration, let's ad a bit of variety.' Also as to an intentional mistake, I did OOTW for some friends and later was invited to dinner at their place. They said that their sister would be there and that she would love that trick where she separates the cards into their colors. It sort of took the surprise out of it (yuh think!). so on half of the cards (some black, some white) I wrote "Mary's" and when they were separated I said "okay, these are my cards and those are Mary's. Everyone seemed disappointed when it 'went wrong' and the colors were mingled but they were blown away when all 'her cards' had her name on them. cheers Maynooth
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Dave Le Fevre Inner circle UK 1666 Posts |
When I bought the instructions to OOTW almost 40 years ago, I thought that they were the full instructions. But apparently not, since that wrinkle about the two cards ending up in the "wrong" piles wasn't there.
On the subject of cards ending up in the "wrong" piles, I once (but only once) had the spec comment at the end that it would have been more convincing if one or two cards had ended up in the wrong piles. And I love your idea, Maynooth. It's a real bummer when someone says "Do that trick where <detailed description of trick>". Your take on that is most inventive. (I once had someone say "Oh, show her the trick with the balls of sponge. You'll love this - he puts one in his hand and one in yours, and then they both end up in your hand. It's great!". It was a bit like "Tell that joke where <entire joke plus punch line>".) Dave
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Madge New user 7 Posts |
Does anyone know where I can get hold of the UF Grant OOTW? I've been trying to get hold of it but haven't had any luck. Are there any books where it is available etc.
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