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JimbosMagic Inner circle 1334 Posts |
A CRB check is only valid for one job/venue
Colin I did mention that earlier but no one seemed to pick up on it.
JIMMY CARLO. KIDabra International Family Entertainer of the Year 2009.
IBM Triple Award Winner. Uk Champion of Comedy Magic. Represented the UK in the United Slapstick Awards on German TV. European Children's Entertainer of the year 2007/8 |
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JimbosMagic Inner circle 1334 Posts |
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On 2009-09-07 05:20, JimbosMagic wrote: Colin I did mention that earlier but no one seemed to pick up on it.
JIMMY CARLO. KIDabra International Family Entertainer of the Year 2009.
IBM Triple Award Winner. Uk Champion of Comedy Magic. Represented the UK in the United Slapstick Awards on German TV. European Children's Entertainer of the year 2007/8 |
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Red Shadow Inner circle 1788 Posts |
I have a CRB form on my website, for immediate download and viewing for the client.
I can tell you that this has gotten me the job over other entertainers. Why - Because I answered the embarrassing question before they had even asked it. I get lots of calls from corporations, schools, nurseries and other establishments that think you must have a CRB form to hire you (This isn't true, the CRB is still optional, but the clients don't know this). They don't like asking the question, and going through all the additional work of posting, coping, verifying a form. Because its all on my website and they can do it all immediately without any embarrassment, they book me for the show. It also gives the birthday party client peace-of-mind to KNOW you are CRB checked and not just saying it. Putting the form on my website has got me work over my competitors. I later included my public liability and PAT test certificate as well because the clients were asking for them. |
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Dennis Michael Inner circle Southern, NJ 5821 Posts |
As a scout leader and a volunteer in our local church, I was required to get a FBI Criminal Record Clearance. Since I have them and it is know more organizations that deal with kids are requiring them, it doesn't hurt to have one and be proud of it.
Dennis Michael
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
The problem with those CRB and other clearances is that they only show you have no criminal record. They don't throw any light on your character. Its so vague as to be meaningless.
If someone has a conviction for public order offences after taking part in an anti-war protest, for instance, they would not pass. But someone suspected but not convicted of child abuse could pass. I once worked with a Danish youth worker. He had a string of convictions for joy-riding and car theft from his wild teen years, and would never pass any sort of scrutiny. But he was great at his job - and was brilliant with troubled teens, because he knew the problem first hand. Another time I worked in a resort once with a number of British performers. Only one had a valid CRB cert. He was the paedophile, and we had to spend a lot of time isolating him from the children. As a parent and a performer I find the while notion of a CRB repugnant. I know some markets require them, but I would not advertise that I had them; I would wait to be asked.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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disneywld Special user Denver, CO 614 Posts |
In the States, there is no such thing as a CRB card, however many organizations require a background check if you work with youth. Doing shows at a school doesn't necessitate getting one, but working with youth groups does. I do school workshops and had to get one ($60) Boy Scouts ($60) Explorers - part of the Boy Scouts ($60) and Civil Air Patrol ($60). I'm starting to like the idea of card.
The Magic of Christopher Manos
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zimsalabim Special user Orlando Floirda USA 520 Posts |
Hmmm this is interesting I work for WDW and they require a background check and fingerprinting when hired. I wonder if I am covered by that. I mean its done adn all.
Joe Zimmer
"The Second Greatest Magician in the World" Who is the Greatest? Everybody else! Borrowed with respect from the late Great Eddie Fechter Owner of the Forks Hotel Zimsalabim Orlando Florida |
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Potty the Pirate Inner circle 4632 Posts |
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On 2009-09-08 09:11, TonyB2009 wrote: Tony, your post touches on what's so wrong with our societies today - no common sense. I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment. Still, as a performer, if I do have a CRB check, it's good for the clients to know. Yes, every organisation that actually REQUIRES a CRB check will be authorised to acquire one, and will normally pay for it too. But to say a CRB check "isn't valid" is nonsense - it is simply a statement from the Criminal Records Bureau that at such-and-such a date, you had no criminal record (or, more specifically, it details any criminal record you may have). As Tony and I are only too well aware, the worst offenders have probably never been caught, so the CRB check is really a nonsense - in truth, just another job for a pen-pusher, another way to cut people off from reality. If only some of the "intelligencia" on our planet would stop their simple thinking (being unaware of the Greater realities), and learn what real intelligence is, we may see a whole better World emerging..... OL, so now I'm descending into neo-philosophy, definitely not something the "intelligencia" know 'owt about! Potty |
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Red Shadow Inner circle 1788 Posts |
Yeap. I agree the piece of paper is a waste of money for all parties. But the problem is the clients don't know this.
While they still think the paper is the all-almighty, we have to make them happy if we are to get the work. For that reason, I make my clients happy by advertising that I have it and displaying it on my website. This gives them peace-of-mind and helps bring in the work. In the end, you do what is necessary to pay the bills, whether you agree with the principle or not. Steve |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Guys, if we had a union like Equity (and I know many are members of such unions) we should be pushing for the CRB check to be replaced rather than scrapped. In my view a report from a psychologist saying that you are mentally sound and no danger to children would be far more valid than a police check saying you have no convictions. As a parent I would be far happier than that.
Unfortunately we live in a real world, and such ideal solutions are unlikely to ever happen. And I suppose if you need the check you have to get it.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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Police Magician Special user Georgia 648 Posts |
I was at an elementary school the other week to do a Police Magic and puppet show for the kindergarteners. When I arrived in the office and told the secretary why I was there, she told me that I needed to scan my drivers license so they could see if I fit the requirement to be around children.
I was getting the license out when a teacher came into the office and said "Hello Officer Hester". When the secretary heard this, she asked if I was a cop. I told her yes and she told me not to worry about the scanning. I told her that I had no problem doing it. Has anyone else heard of a method such as this for checking your background? In the NCIC system, fingerprints are the criminal history. Glenn
Glenn Hester
P.O. Box 3095 Brunswick, Ga. 31521 912-571-8071 www.policemagic.com https://www.facebook.com/PoliceMagic https://www.facebook.com/groups/235078277679470/ |
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Sam Sandler Inner circle 2487 Posts |
You guys are scaring me!
I do hundreds of shows in schools daycares libraries, corporate picnics government gigs over 4000 shows in the last 10 years and never once was asked about background checks or scanning my liscens, blood or urine samples, however I have had them ask for my liability insurance and or car insurance info. I think 2 things one NO I would never advertise that I have any kind of back ground check done. if asked to get one great I will and I will bill them for it ou know what I mean I will add it into the final price. 2 I agree common sense has been thrown out the window and people just do not know how to apply common sense to every day activities. has any one watched AFV each week there is still a segment of parents getting hit in the you know where holding the stupid pinata. if I am hiring a magician, clown or what ever I am going to check the references and well wait first I am most likey to go with some one who my friends have recomended and or is well known in my area. wither way I think its bad to advertise you been checked out.
sam sandler- America's only full-time DEAF Illusionist
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
In Michigan you check can check online to see if a person is a sex offender, a prisoner, or if any sex offenders are in your neighborhood: http://www.mipsor.state.mi.us/
My first show with GigMasters a company wanted my real name date of birth and address. It was for a company picnic with kids present. I gave it to them. Later they gave me an employee form to fill out. They wanted my social security number. The company was a tax service. Even though the show was for $375, I would not give up my social security number because I could not trust them. I mentioned to them I do not give out that type of information about myself unless I was going to work for a company. They still accepted me. Everything came out excellent. |
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
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On 2009-09-05 17:31, magic4u02 wrote: I was thinking about doing the same thing after reading yours. But I just thought of some disadvantage. What if the prospect read your line above and said to herself, "Maybe a judge did certify him to perform for the above, but not for YWCA events, church events and private homes." Maybe placing the word "clearance" on a website will help a performer. Or maybe it can cause damage to all performers by putting a negative thought in a person's mind. The prospects might end up going to Chucky Cheese instead when seeing the word "clearance" on one person's website. I think it is best to stick with the "references" instead. |
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Skip Way Inner circle 3771 Posts |
Glenn, North Carolina schools have a similar automated system with license scanning that checks the known offender databases then prints out a color-coded Visitor ID tag. Like you, I don't mind the process at all - it takes 60 seconds tops. Is it overkill? Maybe.
As for the social security number - Two of my regular clients are very exclusive communities. I perform for them four times a year at community events and they run a police background check each time I'm booked. Doesn't bother me in the least. I initially agreed to give my personal information directly to the police contact; they agreed. Aside from that, I use an EIN or Fed Tax ID number for business and would need a very strong reason to give my personal SSAN to a company or individual. As a retired investigator, I once considered forming a company that provided background checks and certification for entertainers. Quickly threw the idea out, because the checks would only catch the pervs who had been caught. Any background check is only good up to the point it was printed. The liability for certifying a perv who had not yet been outed was just too great. Let your word-of-mouth reputation be your strongest reference and protect it carefully.
How you leave others feeling after an Experience with you becomes your Trademark.
Magic Youth Raleigh - RaleighMagicClub.org |
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Police Magician Special user Georgia 648 Posts |
Thanks Skip. I had not heard of such a device and was amazed at the technology we have now. As I have said before, things like this are too high tech for this redneck.
Glad to see them using such a device to weed out perps. Thanks again, Skip and be safe. Glenn
Glenn Hester
P.O. Box 3095 Brunswick, Ga. 31521 912-571-8071 www.policemagic.com https://www.facebook.com/PoliceMagic https://www.facebook.com/groups/235078277679470/ |
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2392 Posts |
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On 2009-09-12 16:52, Sam Sandler wrote: Sam, I don’t buy this argument. Just because its never been an issue before doesn’t mean it won’t be in the future. Think about how the world has changed since we were kids. At that rate the FBI Clearance may be mandatory in 10 or 20 years. I hope not, but its possible. PS I hope to get to see your show in AC next week! Think about this… Your prospective client is googling “magician (your city)” They may open 5 or 6 magicians’ web sites and notice the FBI Clearance. Then they open your page and you don’t have the advertised claim. Do you think that prospective client might think, “hmmm, just what is this guy hiding?” For the record, I agree with many of you about your objections and I am not ready to start advertising FBI Clearance on my web page yet. I’m just thinking (maybe worrying) about the future and am enjoying this debate and hearing your thoughtful responses.
"Love is the real magic." -Doug Henning
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