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gallagher Inner circle 1168 Posts |
Sometimes, more and more often, I get the feeling, that unless a fellow `Artist' can SEE something (video-ly); they are unable to imagine it. Hmm, maybe a misconception, on my part. Maybe a Topic for another Forum.
In anycase, there was a time, not in the too distant past, more books/words were published/written on the Art and Craft of Prestidigitation, Manipulation, and Magic then any other Art form. (True!) Thoughts were conveyed, imaginations were kick-started,.. anything was possible. Today, I here so often, "Do you have it on film?",.. "Where/When can I see it?" ,.... if it isn't seen, it not only isn't possible; it's INCONCEIVIBLE! I remember times of Brain-storming, when one idea kick off five more,... in totally different directions! There was an feeling of infection! Today, "Have it on video somewhere?" Maybe I'm off,... maybe it's just my environment. Just curious. Any thoughts?,... I'm working on a video version of this question, I'll get it up shortly. give it easy, gallagher |
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Mario Morris Inner circle Mario Morris 2044 Posts |
Im Dyslexic
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
Not so many years ago we had no DVD`s no video`s and maybe only Culpits book as a guide.
So you got out and did it, that`s how you learnt. The result was those who kept at it had their own show, own presentation and slant on the biz. The overal effect was that the quality of streetwork was far superior than it is today. No clones and as you had to gain your knowledge through doing it the enproduct was worthy. OK so now info is easier to obtain but at the expense of forming from within.To be a one off is indeed rare nowadays, to see other street magicians has now become common place and guess what, many are a mirror image of each other. Just my thoughts. Ken. |
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jimmy talksalot Special user new orleans 757 Posts |
Great thread
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
I'll be waiting to see that video, Gallagher.
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
I think people are like that in general. I thin it'd be hard to study whether people are getting more like that...
*due to the editorial policies here, words on this site attributed to me cannot necessarily be held to be my own.*
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gallagher Inner circle 1168 Posts |
Hey Mario, isn't it amazing how the numbers of Dyslexy increase, as the amount of visual stimulation increases? I wonder, if because `Modern visual simulation' so thurough is, or so demanding/dominating,.. door-closing; no room is left open for `self-discovery'. We're given the feeling "all questions are answered,... nothing to think about."
Or does modern visual media maybe not want us to think farther? Or, are we simply lazier, more complacent? ,... hmm, or are the diggers still out there!, I'm just not running into them!?! thanks for thinking about it, gallagher |
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gman Special user Lancaster, pa 751 Posts |
Personally, I think it is a result of tv. Think about it when tv was invented it was kind of a novelty at first but as time went on most parents would stick their kids in front of the tube and have it babysit them. I know in my family I grew up watching tv while eating dinner instead of having family time at dinner time.
Now we have the tv, the net, you tube so it's only natural that most folks would rather watch a dvd on magic or watch you tube clips than read a book. I think too that there is also a lack of teachers or mentors out there. Most magic shops are not into taking time with their customers their more into get it and get out mentality And most of the clubs that I have seen are just their to show off rather than help others to become proficient. Well that is what I think it is the way it is. Of course I could be totally wrong. George P |
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jimmy talksalot Special user new orleans 757 Posts |
Man, I havn't been here for awhile, there are some really cool people posting here.
these threads are really getting me thinking.... |
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deadcatbounce Special user the Wilds of Ireland 863 Posts |
Current trend is.. "sheeple".. (stole that from a street guy in Edinburgh a couple of days ago).. people are like sheep.
See some guy do to a good trick on the street, tv, wherever.. next thing - it's all over the place.. That guy - perhaps got the trick/gag from Tarbell, and has been working the sucker for years.. like Mario Morris and his "****". (Hope I've not given TOO much away there, Mario..) My one big beef with street performers in particular is the "cut and paste" attitude they have. Not ALL of them. Just watched Todd Various yesterday, (Edinburgh festival, 2009) work a crowd from nothing, off the mainstream route, and he killed them all with 3 tricks. Two, if you discount the throwaway thing with the pen and bill. Saw him a year ago, and he just gets better. He has lines, sure, but - there's no indication of a script - and that's what's good ..his script depends on the weather... the people, the small things that happen during a show.. Pepe? Well....... well... You can't teach that sort of act. He's not a genius - he's just a guy who loves what he does and learns from it - and he learns from the crowd - and that's'how it should be. I hope he's stays with it. He may be a bit gingery - and American, - but as far as I'm concerned - he's the coolest performer on the street at the Fringe.. Space Cowboy is outstanding - but hey! look at the gear he lugs around! Regards, DCB
"With every mistake - we must surely be learning..." George Harrison.
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Pizpor Elite user 476 Posts |
Gman - you are so right about the tv thing. My wife and I were at a pretty nice downtown restaurant last Thanksgiving and at the table behind us, the parents took out a portable dvd player, slapped some headphones on their 5 year old, and made him watch Shrek during dinner. (We suspected that they let him continue watching it in the minivan on the way home.) It was really weird.
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Mario Morris Inner circle Mario Morris 2044 Posts |
Truth is I prefer a good magic book over a DVD.
I always return to my magic books again and again. Mario |
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tomterm8 Regular user 163 Posts |
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On 2009-08-25 16:03, gallagher wrote: Hm, I'm dyslexic, but so was my father, and from the storys so was my grandfather... I think Dyslexia was more common than you would think in the past, and good old illiteracy was very common indeed before the 1920's. I saw some old school inspectors reports (from the UK) from the 1920's and they were almost illiterate. Very funny to read. Quote:
I wonder, if because `Modern visual simulation' so thurough is, or so demanding/dominating,.. door-closing; no room is left open for `self-discovery'. We're given the feeling "all questions are answered,... nothing to think about." I suspect that the hacks have always been with us. We are left with books from the most original magical thinkers of their generations, the crap dies out forgotten, and each generation looks at itself and thinks how much better the previous generation was. Quote:
Or does modern visual media maybe not want us to think farther? There's something to this, the visual material is self-selecting, in that there is a tendancy for people all to see the same acts and do the same things. Ultimatly, if you are a digger that has to be a good thing for you. Because, while they are all watching the same routine, you are studying the old books few people read anymore. It means you have less competition. By the time people are trying to copy you, they probably can't do your act half as well as you anyway. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Gallagher posted:
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In anycase, there was a time, not in the too distant past, more books/words were published/written on the Art and Craft of Prestidigitation, Manipulation, and Magic then any other Art form. Where do you get this information from? Regarding the trend towards copying and imitation, it has been with us for a very long time. VHS and DVD's may have made it easier, but there was a time when Channing Pollock's act was the most copied act in magic. Before that, Cardini's act was the most copied. There have been conventions where one trick was performed more than the others. I remember conventions back during the 1960's where the fountain of silks was performed by at least three acts on each show. Square circles were the fad for a while. Then the Anderson newspaper tear. This year's trick du jour is the George Sands Rope Trick. I saw that one three times on the IBM shows this year. It's one thing when we are performing for the public, but when you are trying to perform for your peers, you should give them something a little different.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Instant gratification. Everybody wants it right now.
You gotta stop that and start dreaming, dream up new stuff. Dream on.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Faulkner Loyal user New Orleans 249 Posts |
Is there a good DVD on dreaming up our own stuff??
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
Yes, I have them (They are blank). Send me $100 for the two disc set, limited to only 10,000 copies.
I accept paypal. Ken. |
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The Great Zoobini Elite user Boulder, Colorado 443 Posts |
Kondini, I've sent you $100 for the two DVD disc set.
Thank you
Meet you in Busker Alley
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
I also have shares in Northern Rock for sale !
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Mario Morris Inner circle Mario Morris 2044 Posts |
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On 2009-08-27 05:50, Faulkner wrote: You can get a free --BLANK-- DVD from Busker Central. |
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