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Sammy J. Inner circle Castle Rock, Colorado 1786 Posts |
"What a drag it is getting old" (Rolling Stones).
I play about 80+ rounds of golf a year. Over the past two years I have developed tennis elbow in my left arm (too much time hitting out of the rough). I've been in Physical Therapy for a couple of weeks, but that gets expensive. I also think I am developing arthritis in my left hand (dominate hand for me, though I golf right handed). I recently started working on Mb's "Crimp Karate Coin". I don't seem to have the strength in my left hand to do the crimp change. Marion has given me some personal instruction (as he is more than willing to do), but I still don't have the strength in my left hand to execute this move. It's not a difficult move, it just requires normal strength. I think I can do it in my right hand, but the rest of the routine works better left handed for me. Do you guys have any ideas (other than squeezing a rubber ball) on how to strengthen the hand? I know that as some of my magic buddies got older they can't do the sleights they used to, but I am not that old! Any help would be appreciated. I love coin magic, and would hate to think that I am limited because of strength issues. Thanks, Sammy
Sammy J. Teague
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Many of my new coin moves resulted from my not being able to do sleights the way they are described because of arthritus and other hand problems. Send me a message for any move you find you can no longer do and I may have a suggestion. I am slowly gathering information on how magicians have overcome all sorts of physical limitation, so I could use input also.
When my doctor suggested I practice squeezing a rubber ball I showed him the one I had been holding the entire visit using a combination of SwayToss, Chest, Crook, and Changeovers. "How do you do that?" he querried. "With a lot of pain," I replied, and we got back to his magic. I my eBooks like "Jingle" I offer several sleights for every phase to accomodate "less than able" dexterity. Confidence is the greatest sleight of all. My biggest problem is typing these messages without transposing letters
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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Wes65 Inner circle I've said very little in 1219 Posts |
Sammy, I have advanced arthritis in my left hand and have it less severe in my right....so I feel your pain.
I don't have any info for you except for what you probably already know concerning diet and supplements and rubs and creams. What I can hopefully encourage you with is this: I've learned that I can do a lot of things that I first thought impossible if I stick with it and work at it slowly and steadily without over doing it.
Wes
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
Sammy,
Make sure that your hand weakness has been thoroughly worked up. Arthitis typically causes pain and restricted movement but not muscle weakness unless there has been significant disuse. Weakness in the hand can be due to degenerative changes in the cervical spine, prior strokes, carpal tunnel, muscle diseases etc. It's important that the casue of the weakness be explained so you get proper treatment. Don't diagnose the condition yourself. Make sure a medical doctor such as an orthopedist, neurologist, or rheumatologist examines you carefully and prescribes any needed tests (MRI, blood work etc.) Best of luck to you. Larry Barnowsky M.D. |
Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
Larry, nice to see you my friend!
Great advice! My coin magic suffers a bit from numbness in the fingers, weakness or cramping occasionally, especially the CP. As I've said in other posts, I get by. My changeover palm covers it nicely, as I transfer it into a crappy CP in the other hand! By that time the coin appears elsewhere, and no one is the wiser. I kinda wish I had better chops, but the misdirection of the routines I use covers me nicely. It's no walk in the park, though, I wish my hands had better control. Doug |
algebraic Inner circle 1008 Posts |
As the good doctor stated above, go see your doctor.
I've had problems with my hand strength while playing golf and tennis. During the off season I do wrist curls and reverse wrist curls to strengthen my forearm and hand muscles. I do two sets of 15 reps two to three times a week for two weeks. Then I increase the weight and do two sets of 12reps for two weeks. Then I do 2 sets of 10 reps with an increase in weight for two weeks. When this period is over I look at how I did and decide if I want to go back to high reps(15), or try increasing the weight and doing fewer reps. My next program may be two sets of 10(with an increase in weight compared to my 12 reps) for two weeks, then two sets of 8 for two weeks(with an increase in weight), and finally two sets of 6(with an increase in weight) for two weeks. I like this approach because it hits the fast twitch and slow twitch muscles. I then would go back to my cycle of 15,12,10 and increase the weight used OR use the same amount of weight but decrease the amount of rest time in between sets. My program runs through the entire winter season and my forearm/hand strength is much better and I have greater endurance. A personal trainer would be great to get you started with your questions and goals. I hope this helps. |
Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Man Sammy, you got some great responses here both holistic and medical from real practitioners and or those that have felt your pain here and have found alternatives that work. Isn't this a great place?
The Crimp Change was meant to bring enjoyment, not pain so I know some of these suggestions will help you on your way with it in no time. Feel better my friend.
*Check out my latest: Gifts From The Old Country: A Mini-Magic Book, MBs Mini-Lecture on Coin Magic, The MB Tanspo PLUS, MB's Morgan, Copper Silver INC, Double Trouble, FlySki, Crimp Change - REDUX!, and other fine magic at gumroad.com/mb217magic
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lorenwade Special user 869 Posts |
Sammy! What are you doing to yourself? I thought you and I were supposed to do meet up and put down some magic here soon? You gotta get better buddy.
In all honest, I hope it heals well. I'm no doctor or medicine man, so I hope things work out for you and it heals up. |
Rizzo Inner circle East Coast 3346 Posts |
Sammy, tennis elbow in both elbows for me. I never ever even played tennis. Anyway both elbows required surgery cause the pain was just too much after awhile and nothing helped, not even therapy. Its been a few years now and they are holding up fantastic. I would never recommend going under the knife and there are many "remedies" out there but for me, the surgery was successful and the only thing that helped and its been pain free for me since. I almost died on the table with the 2nd elbow but that's another story.
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Vitiman b6 100 mng twice a day for two months
should do it it helped me vinny |
Sammy J. Inner circle Castle Rock, Colorado 1786 Posts |
Thanks for all the advice. I have seen my doctor and he thinks it's classic tennis elbow that is hurting. As far as the weakness goes, I probably need to see him again. I'm intrigued by the eccentric exercises mentioned on the NY Times article. I think I will pursue that and the b6 vitimans.
Thanks for the help! Sammy
Sammy J. Teague
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wbzwolinski Loyal user 232 Posts |
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On 2009-08-27 02:42, funsway wrote: I've just come across this post as I was searching the Café to see if anyone else had problems with Arthritus and/or Carpal Tunnel Syndrome. I have a little of both. The worst is my Carpal Tunnel Syndrom in my left hand. It has become very difficult for me to perform one of my most favorite effects...the Miser's Dream. I perform it ungimmicked and prefer to continue to do so but it is getting very difficult with pain and numbness in my fingers. I am not having problems producing coins with my right hand. Releasing, reseting, and actually holding the bucket/pail is the real with my left hand is the problem. If anyone has any advice I would surely appreciate it. Perhaps someone knows where I can get a very light bucket with a nice tone/ring. I currently use several different ones I found at Target, Bed, Bath, & Beyond and such. Thanks, Wolly
Keep it Simple...Play it BIG!!!
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3078 Posts |
I have Acromegaly, which is caused by a tumor in the brain and it messes up whatever it wants. Part of this is carpal tunnell and I used to do a great four coin rolldown but I havent been able to do it for quite awhile. But I'm going to keep practicing, I'll get it back. Silver dollars are easier, in a way, because of the sixe. Got to keep practicing.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
"Perhaps someone knows where I can get a very light bucket with a nice tone/ring."
look into brass flower pots and pitchers. I like the handle with my hand through for extra support rather than relying on finger strength, but that depends on method used.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
eBooks at https://www.lybrary.com/ken-muller-m-579928.html questions at ken@eversway.com |
Metatron Elite user Port Orchard, Washington 436 Posts |
Hello fellow SUFFERING Magi,
* DISCLAIMER * First I am not a Doctor so the following is not medical advice. It is what I have found that helps me. Consult a physician. ------------------ I too have arthritic pain. I have been adding the following supplements to meal time and seems to be working well. Vitamin B Complex - as stated by Vinsmagic and Glucosamine Chondroitin - The brand I use is Flex-a-min. It is designed for achy joints. and Ibuprofen - 800 milligrams (as needed) Helps reduce swelling, reduces pain. The weakness isn't really caused BY the arthritis it is a side-effect from the pain of movement. If it hurts to move, you move less, atrophy sets in. The less you move the less lubricated joints become so arthritis gets more painful. Catch 22! So the best exercise is movement. I flex my hands and fingers through out the day. Closing and opening all fingers at once, and each finger individually. Rotate the wrists ... Move! This was very painful at first but it eventually starts lubricating the joints and limbering the muscle/tendons. I still get pain but this regimen has reduced the pain by at least 50% and I have regained much of my strength and coordination. Anyway that's what I do and it helps, Metatron |
TheGiz Veteran user 335 Posts |
I talked to a barber about this. He said he had the condition and he went to an acupuncturist who placed electrode type needles in his arm. He said it cured him. I'm looking in to this as I write this.
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts |
I wear a brace on my elbow/forearm with a pressure pad and that helps my tendon to heal. Once healed, I have full strength. If I am going to do any heavy lifting I put the brace on first and I don't hurt myself.
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Metatron Elite user Port Orchard, Washington 436 Posts |
I've heard of people using Bee Stings to cure this condition!
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wbzwolinski Loyal user 232 Posts |
Wow, a lot of great and interesting feedback. Thanks to all. I will be trying some, if not all of the suggestions...except for maybe the bee stings. Years ago, the 60's, we had a family friend who raised bees on his farm. He swore by bee stings and honey as a cure all. He lived well into his 90's. The more I think of it, I believe he did mention that it was a remedy at least, for arthritus. He also, drank warm milk with honey.
Thanks again everyone, Wolly
Keep it Simple...Play it BIG!!!
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