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RobertBloor
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JK: Hey Robert, don't Gazzo's cups cure pneumonia too?

Though not scientifically proven, one very ill man from some island near Antarctica did in fact have pneumonia. The man, near to death when Gazzo himself swam to the island and delivered the cups.

Rumor has it the man cured of his illness.

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Hey, you can fool people with paper cups, tin cans, you name it... just depends on YOU. Smile
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On 2003-09-04 10:14, MagiUlysses wrote:
Greetings and Salutations Twisted,

Morrisey cups, auurrrgggghhhhh! You've just set back the cups-and-balls a generation or two! Smile

God, you're gonna [hate] me! I've got three blue plastic cups I picked up in a party supply store for less than $5! When and if I get enough into C&B to warrant more professional (read: expensive) cups, I'll consider it. For now, they're just not practical for me.
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Greetings and Salutations mandrake,

Hey, don't get me wrong! I was just having a little fun, admittedly, at Twisted's expense.

There's nothing wrong with Morrissey cups. I have a set, and I wish I had thought it through just one more moment longer and got the copper set. And there's nothing wrong with your set either. As a matter of fact, I'm thinking, given the right circumstances, i.e. a party, your cups would go a long way in making the cups-and-balls look very impromptu.

As a matter of fact, I can go you one better. On some C&B thread around here, the cups debate included using clay (flower) pots that I think set someone back about 69 cents each, if my memory serves me.

Enjoy playing in your cups and like several posters have pointed out, it's not so much the cups as the routine and the performer. May all your performances be memorable and your routines entertaining!

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Greetings and Salutations mandrake,

Hey, don't get me wrong! I was just having a little fun, admittedly, at Twisted's expense.

There's nothing wrong with Morrissey cups. I have a set, and I wish I had thought it through just one more moment longer and got the copper set. And there's nothing wrong with your set either. As a matter of fact, I'm thinking, given the right circumstances, i.e. a party, your cups would go a long way in making the cups-and-balls look very impromptu.

As a matter of fact, I can go you one better. On some C&B thread around here, the cups debate included using clay (flower) pots that I think set someone back about 69 cents each, if my memory serves me.

Enjoy playing in your cups and like several posters have pointed out, it's not so much the cups as the routine and the performer. May all your performances be memorable and your routines entertaining!

Later,
Joe in KC

Thanks. I wasn't being all that serious. The clay pots sound intriguing. I was thinking if I were to work a Renaissance Fair, I might try to find clay or tin cups. (Plastic would throw of the timeframe and I just can't see a Renaissance itenerat magician with a set of beautiful copper or brass cups.) Smile
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Greetings and Salutations mandrake,

Thanks, I was assuming (and we know how dangerous that is) that you were taking it lightly. Smile

It all depends on the shape of the cups and the finish. While tin or pewter would serve for the lower classes, having brass, or probably copper cups would not have been unusual. Cups like Pete's and Gazzo's tarnish up beautifuly for an olde world look. The cups I use when I perform at RenFests are a set of Bosco cups in copper from Harries that are shaped much like those seen in many drawings and paintings of street magi of the era.

Search around a couple of the other C&B threads and RenFest threads for some interesting discussions on the topic.

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On 2003-10-08 16:57, MagiUlysses wrote:
Greetings and Salutations mandrake,

Thanks, I was assuming (and we know how dangerous that is) that you were taking it lightly. Smile

It all depends on the shape of the cups and the finish. While tin or pewter would serve for the lower classes, having brass, or probably copper cups would not have been unusual. Cups like Pete's and Gazzo's tarnish up beautifuly for an olde world look. The cups I use when I perform at RenFests are a set of Bosco cups in copper from Harries that are shaped much like those seen in many drawings and paintings of street magi of the era.

Yeah, but dude, those things are so expensive, the idea of actually "tarnishing" them brings tears to my eyes! Smile
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Yeah, but dude, those things are so expensive the idea of actually "tarnishing" them brings tears to my eyes!

Gazzo's cups are a thing of beauty. The only tears would be tears of joy. When they tarnish it's like watching them "grow up" right before your eyes. They go from, "nice cups" to, "Darn your cups are hot, can I take them out on a date?!?!"

Tarnishing...*sigh* It's beautiful.

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Try Brett Sherwood's delicately engraved, gold-washed cups. I have a set. Everyone gassps breathily that the cups are faaaaabulous...

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P.S. I also have a set of Gazzo Cups and a set of Animal Cups, but only use those when I haven't showered for a few days...
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The "tarnish" on a set of copper cups is actually a known as a "patina." There are various chemical and natural ways that sculptors and other artisans achieve patination on copper and bronze articles. It is considered to be the natural look of the metal, and adds to its value and aesthetics.

Moreover, the dark, rich chocolate color of patinated copper is very useful for the cups and balls.

Remember, the balls and loads are the stars of the trick, and the cups should not fight with them for attention. The dark color of the cups helps show off the balls and loads, as well as adding an ancient, traveled look to the cups.

Originally, the cups and balls workers in ancient Egypt and Greece used metal drinking cups, one of the most common items of the day. The medieval and Renaissance workers would have used something similar. Bronze and copper or tin would have been the most common metals for such cups, and would probably not have been kept polished, but allowed to develop their natural surface patina.
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Talking about cups is almost as much fun as doing them... Smile
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Once I held a set of Johnson C&B in my hands that was it. I love the weight and the look!
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The patina is awesome on the Gazzo/GA line.

In fact, when I first received mine, I polished them up to a shiny, beautiful luster, only to allow them to develop, "on their own."

Man, they're incredible.

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On 2003-07-19 01:39, Magicmike1949 wrote:
I have no doubt the Sherwood cups are excellent. But the Johnson cups are mighty nice for the money. For a street worker you might consider Phoenix seconds, but make sure your balls will nest properly. The Mike Rogers baseballs sometimes cause abit of wobble when the cups are stacked.

If the Phoenix seconds are of any worse quality than my Phoenix firsts, I wouldn't buy them. I'd hunt for a set of Charlie Miller cups, instead. The Phoenix cups lack polish and one of mine even has a burr that was spun into the bead of the cup. This is not first class work, and the price is definitely a first class price.

Lest you think I am a newcomer to cups and balls, I sold most of a collection of common cups three years ago, and kept the best for my own personal use. I have original Danny Dew, Charlie Miller, Stubby and Rings and Things cups, as well as several sets of jumbo cups.

There is no excuse for the open bead on the Phoenix cups or the rough finish.

There are many fine sets of cups on the market that cost less than the Phoenix cups, and which will work just as well.
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And if you need jumbo chick cups let me know...
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Do you think you could do the cups with coffee cups and have it be as magical?...

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Bob Read came close. Check out his Antepenultimate Cups and Balls routine.
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Do me a favor here, since I just stopped by at Tom's the other day and look at the Pheonix cups.

1. Whats wrong with the open bead?(I thought this would be good if they got wet, being able to dry out quicker)
2. They wouldn't raplace the one with the spun in burr?
3. I thought the rough spun finish, caused the pattina
to come quicker and made them easier to hold on to.
4. They seemed like the only set I have found that can
be beat on like a drum and still keep their shape.

Realy, let me know what you think here, since I was thinking about picking up a set.
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1. The open bead can actually trap moisture. My other cups, such as the Stubbies, have closed beads. I have cleaned them, washed them, etc., and have never had a problem with trapped moisture. The open bead is really a sign of incomplete work

2. All of the cups have surface flaws that would not be there had the spinner known how to clean his tools while he was spinning the cups. Since I did not purchase them directly from Tom Frank, I have no idea how to contact him. And according to friends of mine who have seen other sets from his "mint," my set may be better than some of the others that he has issued. One fellow told me that the first set he had tended to lock when stacked. That's not good.


3. I don't know of any correspondence between a rough surface and the acquisition of a patina. My Miller cups and my Stubby cups have highly polished surfaces which have acquired a nice patina and have maintained it over the years. It doesn't take long for the patina to occur.

4. I think they are overpriced. If you hunt around, you can pick up a set of Charlie Miller cups, of which these are a crude copy, for less money. Also, take a look at Jim Riser's web site. Jim's cups are a little lighter, but considerably finer. I think Barry Schorr at Presto Magic has a used set of his jumbo cups for sale. Also, the cups from Gary Animal are made to take some abuse. I don't think I would beat ANY set like a drum, though.

One other thought. If you want a set of cups that you can kick around the room, the Van Dokkum stainless steel cups are your best bet. They are tough as nails. Of course, they won't develop that nice copper patina.

Just my opinion, of course.
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Gazzo's cups, the ones he was using, had dings, dents, scratches, etc. They almost wouldn't stack, but it didn't prevent him from KILLING with his routine. By the way, they were original Jumbo Danny Dew Paul Fox cups.

He has now, of course, switched to those made by Gary Animal, designed to Gazzo's spec's. Between the Fox cups and what he now has, he was using a couple of sets of my Galli Galli cups. They were almost identical to the Fox chick cups.

But, if you see Gazzo's routine, you know he throws them to people, they drop them, etc. and he needs bulletproof cups.

I have a set of stainless steel Sisti cups. You could drive a truck over them and they wouldn't be hurt, but they were way too heavy to work with (for me). Smile
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